Open-eyed visualaztion method/question

[LoveBattery]

I have a question on open eyed visualization, hope I can explain it well enough: I can kind of "visualize" things on like my ceiling or wall for example. Say I was counting I could see the "1…2…3…4…" on the wall, but there seems to be like another way to do it where I ignore my surroundings totally and have little to no vision of my irl surroundings in a zoned-out state.

 

Is there a correct "mode" to be in when doing open eyed?

[Quilten]

Honestly, I think that the more aware you are of your surroundings you are during open-eyed visualization, the more you get a feel for how whatever you are visualizing is reacting and responding to the environment both spatially and concerning the light.

[Linkzelda]

Since your question revolves around what would be the “correct mode,” maybe you’re really asking what would be the “correct state of mind” that would be ideal for having better open eye visualization.

 

I guess that pragmatic state of being would be one where you can have your waking critical states of mindset put on hold temporarily or distracted (e.g. areas of the brain for judgment, reasoning, and rationalization) so that you will become more suggestive to the subconscious/unconscious thoughts streaming into your conscious perception of viewing things with open-eye.

 

Though I feel that in order for you to have some proficiency in that, you may want to see the concept and foundations you can learn from closed-eyed visualization. This is just speaking from experience, but listening to binaural beats or even isochronic beats like Alpha for even Theta can help with you conceptualizing what would be the “ideal” mode for visualization in general.

 

There’s a term called frequency-follow response where the brain would conform and induce some type of stimulus based on the exposure of frequencies, pitches, etc. And with practice, you can use things like binaural beats and/or isochronic tones to get the brain being accustomed to adjusting to those frequencies to presumably induce something. More information on it can be found on some links below (to prevent others from naively labeling this as the placebo effect):

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214239/

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12692473

 

Essentially, the more you can learn how to selectively choose what you decide to perceive and filter out, the more likely you can focus more on developing visualization. So the “correct,” or to put it in realistic terms, “ideal state of being,” is one that allows you to have better inward and selective focus while still being able to consistently sustain that state of being (i.e. being relaxed and allowing your mind to do the rest).

 

You don't have to rely on binaural or isochronic beats though, the mind can easily find a way to conform to those states of being, but the sounds can be a beneficial supplement because of the theory behind frequency-following response. It can only produce results if you continue to expose yourself to those sounds, so consistent usage and practice of them will eventually produce results, just like anything really to be developed or learned.

[LoveBattery]

Since your question revolves around what would be the “correct mode,” maybe you’re really asking what would be the “correct state of mind” that would be ideal for having better open eye visualization.

 

I guess that pragmatic state of being would be one where you can have your waking critical states of mindset put on hold temporarily or distracted (e.g. areas of the brain for judgment, reasoning, and rationalization) so that you will become more suggestive to the subconscious/unconscious thoughts streaming into your conscious perception of viewing things with open-eye.

 

Though I feel that in order for you to have some proficiency in that, you may want to see the concept and foundations you can learn from closed-eyed visualization. This is just speaking from experience, but listening to binaural beats or even isochronic beats like Alpha for even Theta can help with you conceptualizing what would be the “ideal” mode for visualization in general.

 

There’s a term called frequency-follow response where the brain would conform and induce some type of stimulus based on the exposure of frequencies, pitches, etc. And with practice, you can use things like binaural beats and/or isochronic tones to get the brain being accustomed to adjusting to those frequencies to presumably induce something. More information on it can be found on some links below (to prevent others from naively labeling this as the placebo effect):

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214239/

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12692473

 

Essentially, the more you can learn how to selectively choose what you decide to perceive and filter out, the more likely you can focus more on developing visualization. So the “correct,” or to put it in realistic terms, “ideal state of being,” is one that allows you to have better inward and selective focus while still being able to consistently sustain that state of being (i.e. being relaxed and allowing your mind to do the rest).

 

You don't have to rely on binaural or isochronic beats though, the mind can easily find a way to conform to those states of being, but the sounds can be a beneficial supplement because of the theory behind frequency-following response. It can only produce results if you continue to expose yourself to those sounds, so consistent usage and practice of them will eventually produce results, just like anything really to be developed or learned.

 

 

This is an insanely insightful post, thank you.

 

I've looked around for a few tones/beats, but is there some you can personally recommend for us?

[Quilten]

Misty Mountains, but strictly for the placebo ;).

 

Meh, I just Gugel them. Also, do not ever pay for tones/beats. Ever.

[Linkzelda]

 

 

This is an insanely insightful post, thank you.

 

I've looked around for a few tones/beats, but is there some you can personally recommend for us?

 

 

YouTube is the best source, but before you decide to listen to them:

 

1. Download them if you can at the highest possible quality (prevents hiccups)

 

2. If you can convert them to something more powerful than mp3 (i.e. wma) and you have a media player that can play that format, I highly recommend you do so. MP3 should be more than alright, but if you can go for the format I suggested or others (FLAC I believe), the bigger size is the only downside compared to MP3.

 

Alpha

 

 

Theta:

 

I mostly listen to the first because it's ideal and doesn't make me want to sleep right after I finish a session with it. Theta can really get you into a deep meditative state (but more likely for you wanting to sleep), but of course that's because I used binaurals and isochronic beats/tones frequently.

 

If you only try them in one go and think they must be a placebo effect for those it presumably works on, a simple matter of intellectual research will help cure up that misconception. Either way, hope this helps.

[Quilten]

If you only try them in one go and think they must be a placebo effect for those it presumably works on, a simple matter of intellectual research will help cure up that misconception.

 

If you are referring to me, I don't believe that bineural beats are a placebo in their entirety, and I understand the correlation between the frequencies and the brain, I only mention the placebo effect because what I was suggesting was not actually a bineural tone. I just find it terribly relaxing. Honestly, I prefer white/pink/Brownian noise over bineural beats, mostly to minimize headaches.