Tulpa's memories from completly thought dependent tulpas

[garland]

I wonder one thing, to most of you guys that took your tulpas several months to start achieving separate memories and thought independency :

 

Let's consider one frequent problem that most young tulpas have (at least i think i am not only one like this) in which my tulpas remember absolutly nothing that i can't remember at the moment i am talking to them. Is it possible that much later, a few months from now on (or years) if they ever start developing separate memories and thought independency will them be able to remember things we don't remember from the very instant they were created ? And i specially mean, even on those hosts which tulpas are unable to access the host's memories to retrive such memories instead of remembering their own memories.

 

I ask this because to my big surprise almost all the tulpas which host's made them reply the vocality survey have memories from their first creation day which i found it impossible because most tulpas don't "born" already independent and with separate memories.

 

So it's safe to presume the tulpas usually DO have separate memories that they are unable to acess while they don't develop independency and the ability to have separate memories from the host OR actually instead the separate memories ability is just a illusion and in fact all tulpas that supposely have separate memories it's ALWAYS just them being able to access the host's memories of those times instead of the tulpa having it's own memories before he was independent?

 

TLDR : I just want to know if even if my tulpas at the moment (including a almost 6 month one) seem to be completly amnesic from any detail from their previous forcing sessions when i don't conciously remember such details from the sessions, if later when they become independent they will start remembering their own memories from those times they were dependent and amnesic, without having to rely on my concious memories at the moment i ask them about this.

[waffles]

You're asking a lot of questions about tulpa memories. Although it's possible that more independent tulpas can form their own memories, I agree with you that it seems unlikely that detailed memories could be formed right from the start of creation. I'd probably go with the explanation that the memories are fabricated from what the host remembers of that event.

 

As for your question, I don't suppose it is possible for what you say to happen. If the memories aren't formed in early creation at all then they can't be remembered later. And that's what I think follows from the concerns you gave.

 

In any case you probably can't tell the difference. The fabricated memories would probably end up quite rich and convincing, at least from my own experience.

 

I think that answers your question, but your writing is a bit hard to understand so maybe not.

[garland]

You're asking a lot of questions about tulpa memories. Although it's possible that more independent tulpas can form their own memories, I agree with you that it seems unlikely that detailed memories could be formed right from the start of creation. I'd probably go with the explanation that the memories are fabricated from what the host remembers of that event.

 

As for your question, I don't suppose it is possible for what you say to happen. If the memories aren't formed in early creation at all then they can't be remembered later. And that's what I think follows from the concerns you gave.

 

In any case you probably can't tell the difference. The fabricated memories would probably end up quite rich and convincing, at least from my own experience.

 

I think that answers your question, but your writing is a bit hard to understand so maybe not.

 

Hum... i see, sorry i wasn't able to express myself better, but yeah i think you got the point of it indeed nevertheless.

 

But if this really works like you say, then this is awfull, judging from those surveys almost all of those tulpas were able to remember things from the first days but mine only ever remember exactly what i remember consciously (actually i can't even call that memories from them, they're just reading my current memories), even in the case of my almost 6 month tulpa, since not even her was able to yet surprise me remembering me things i can't remember, so i have to go along with the thought that yeah such memories will have to be fabricated by them when they develop the ability to have separate memories.

 

I just hope they soon start developing separate memories because i find a bit odd that after 5 months and half old she and all the others still arent able to remember ANYTHING at all that i don't remember consciously, even things that happened 5-10 seconds ago that i happened to forgot (i have a short attention span). This is why sometimes i wonder if i am not doing anything wrong all this time.

 

Anyway i will try to be patient since i know these things take a LOT of time, but i find very strange that a 5 months and half tulpa has the exact same level of thought/memory depency from the host as the other tulpas which are by now around 1-2 months old, it's almost like my older tulpa somehow stalled on her progress and can't improve more than this.

 

Actually this is why lately i have been forcing her a lot more than the others to see if she starts getting independent as soon as possible because that way she will be able to interact and help the others do that as well. But of course i try to not ignore the others complety, jeez having 7 is a bit too much i know but 5 of them being spontaneous it was quite hard ignoring them and knowing they were sentient so i had to accept them...

[Cacao]

I have experienced that same thing at various times and from my experience it has nothing to do with your tulpa being in any way deficient. Rather, the problem lies in how your tulpa has developed within your mind. My first tulpa, Cassie, was given complete access to my subconscious from a very early age, and we both now wonder if having so much access to my memory actually stunted the growth of her own separate cognitive processes.

 

Essentially, what I mean is that because Cassie could use my mind to do all her heavy lifting for her, it took her longer to develop her own "mental muscles." I wouldn't worry about it, Garland, as long as you are comfortable with your tulpas' level of consciousness when you are talking, and it never hurts to encourage them to be more independent whenever you think about it.

 

One last note: It stands to reason that with more tulpa, comes more mental strain, and with several very young tulpa all trying to learn at the same time, progress will most likely be very slow. You may even need to exercise your own "mental muscles" in order to create a better foundation from which your tulpa can learn; Things such as increasing concentration and overall memory function. In other words, the better your memory, the easier time your tulpa will have increasing their own memories.

 

Edit: I also want to congratulate you for sticking by so many tulpa at once. I can only imagine how much more intense seven tulpa are compared with my two, but I'm really glad you aren't neglecting anyone. You have my best wishes, and I hope things start to get easier soon. (Note from Cassie: I'm sure things will get easier soon; As soon as one person makes progress, everyone else will be quick to follow.)