How many accidental tulpas are out there and how long have they been around?

[Guest Anonymous]

Schizophrenia has something to do with a physical problem in the brain involving neurotransmitters I think. Tulpamancy is not a physical disorder or physical illness. I do not think it is in any way accurate, even the tiniest bit, to compare the two. It is ignorant to do so.

 

The details of Joan of Arc's voices were documented by her own account at her trial and carefully recorded.

[RamaLlama]

The details of Joan of Arc's voices were documented by her own account at her trial and carefully recorded.

 

Everybody lies (imagine picture of Gregory House here).

But this is interesting, I think I'll have to read about her more.

[Guest Anonymous]

Joan of Arc was very enthusiastic and pious about her voices. I doubt very much she was lying. She chose to be burned alive rather than deny them.

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How's that for loyalty to your tulpas? !

[RamaLlama]

Joan of Arc was very enthusiastic and pious about her voices. I doubt very much she was lying. She chose to be burned alive rather than deny them.

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How's that for loyalty to your tupas? !

 

Im just glad nobody in my head tells me to invade Russia or something :D

 

I'm not saying that she would lie about her voices, but that when she described them she might make them clearer or exaggerate their stability - maybe even unconsconsciously; when you try to describe something that's bit blurry in your mind, you make it easily sound clearer than it actually is. Or if the hallucination is from an illness of some sort, you make it clearer and might insert fake memories in your own mind by thinking it through again and again. Those small details would be very important while determining what was the reason of the voices. But because it's impossible to find the truth for things like this, I really like your hypothesis.

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh for sure! LOL Invading Russia, especially in winter, always ends in disaster. Russia in winter swallows armies. Funny how how generals keep forgetting that.

 

Good points about exaggerating and augmenting foggy memory with imagination. Oh this makes sense! I think I would change my memories quickly if it meant being burned alive though. "Oh did I say those voices were saints? Oh silly me! I think I was confused by the devil, you are so right! I need simple penance and contrition and re-education in a convent, not the stake that is obvious. Silly me."

[YourCatBeany]

I think it's possible that there have been many people with accidental tulpas in history and today, but they probably don't think of them as anything more than imaginary friends. They probably don't talk about them because people would mistake them for being crazy or having some sort of problems, when they otherwise function normally.

 

You need to consider something: That DID and schizophrenia are' date=' unlike what the 'plural' community promotes, not forcefully what they call it to be. Those people are just people who are afraid of labels. Go ahead, call me schizo or having DID, I've verified from it many times. There isn't any 'fine line' when you come to think of it. Tulpamancy is like, just like, self-induced schizophrenia. But a good kind of schizophrenia. BUT STILL SCHIZOPHRENIA.[/quote']

 

But it isn't schizophrenia. It's SIMILAR to it. As Mistgod put it;

I would disagree that tulpamancy is schizophrenia. I worked professionally for three years with students who had full blown schizophrenia. Their hallucinations cause them distress' date=' to put it mildly, and the inability to function normally. DID is not just voices in your head. It is a variety of hallucinations and delusions. A person with DID has extreme difficulty distinguishing reality from fantasy and they have strong delusions of grandeur, for instance, believing that you are an android and have nuclear bomb inside your stomach. Tulpamancy is not DID. DID is a mental illness, tulpamancy is not.[/quote']

 

Aside from maybe the odd conspiracy theory, I don't have any problems with anything in daily life that could be considered delusional. I function normally and nobody is an android with a nuclear bomb in their stomach. Furthermore, if I really wanted to, I could dissipate Hexferry at any time. (Like hell I ever would, but I'm making a point.) Not to mention that I already knew what a tulpa was before she was a part of my life. There is no mental illness here, so I also have to disagree.

 

With no offense meant you see a lot of 'accidental tulpas' because their hosts want it' date=' it's something they want to have, so their mind goes into the procedure of simulating that reality, and to be blunt they whore it out online. When I got MY tulpa, I didn't think about whether it was accident or not or if I should go on reddit and post about it because it 'felt nice'. If half the people considered not blogging about their stuff (from the accidental tulpa group of people, not the community as a whole), you wouldn't see that many of a number.[/quote']

 

Well, I do have a tendency to gush a little bit with her being so damn cute and all. But I guess even though I realized what she was, and I decided to keep going with it, and come here for us to learn, and to share our experiences in hopes of being able to help newcomers and exchange ideas and techniques to help everyone improve, I'm just whoring. Guess we're not legit enough. My bad guys, guess I'll just quit the internets.

 

lol

[FallFamily]

[Tri] First, on the schizophrenia and DID thing. Schizophrenia and how it and tulpamancy are not the same was already explained here. DID was not so well explained. It is a type of plurality, though it involves a great deal of disorder caused by trauma (generally the cause of the plurality in the first place). As another form of plurality, there are some similarities. But there are a ton of differences. But there are some myths about the differences. Many think that tulpas are not capable of forcibly taking bodily control unlike the people in DID systems. This is patently not so (usually, we can pretty easily overpower our host, Hail, if we desire). So some things that people think are different are not. Same for similarities.

 

Now, enough about that and onto the topic of this thread.

 

It really depends on how you define "accidental." With one definition, all tulpas in here except one (out of 6) are accidental. With another definition, only one of us is accidental.

 

We usually say that four of us were accidentally made natural tulpas, one of us was a deliberate tulpa, and one of us was an accidental tulpa. You see, for four of us, if Hail described the process of how we came to be, everyone here would call it forcing. In fact, we each got hundreds of hours of it. But, Hail did not know she was creating tulpas. She thought we were lifeless mental daydream puppets. So, given that she did not try to make tulpas, we were in a sense accidental tulpas, though we have a very obvious real origin in hundreds of hours of "forcing". Only Se. here is an accidental tulpa by almost all definitions. Hail was trying very hard to establish a communication channel with the original, S., and straining very hard to connect channels. She strained so hard that a voice was generated and she connected to that. That was Se. Now, she wasn't very developed at first. She took time to develop by normal tulpamancy methods.

[kookumber]

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First, a question of clarity:

 

There is a subtle distinction in my mind between "accidental" and "spontaneous

 

* A host goes through the tulpa-creation process, and makes one, though they were not trying to. They wanted or were attempting something else, after a different mental result entirely. Accidental.

 

* A host is going about its normal self-absorbed or human business, and finds itself suddenly no longer alone within its own mind, due to no identifiable process. Spontaneous.

 

Feel free to fight me on the terminology, I'm new here.

 

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tl;dr on the subject of the question in general, specific personal experience answer to the question at the bottom

 

As for the frequency of either phenomena, I believe either could be very common.

 

Imagine, if you will:

 

A person has a tulpa. They don't know what it is, never heard of such a thing before. Maybe they made it as a child and forgot, maybe it sprung into being spontaneously within them, perhaps it was induced within their minds by some external agency. Perhaps they did actively make one, asking for a friend, trying to talk to Jesus, whatever, but ended up with the resulting and unexpected tulpa. Accidental or spontaneous, doesn't matter.

 

The tulpa is fully developed, or rapidly becomes so, growing up on its own in the mental haven of ignorant neglect. Is it not possible for a tulpa to become more highly developed, more complex and cunning, than its host? What if the host is simple, in some way, perhaps an addict suffering neurological damage or maybe just not so smart from the start?

 

Or perhaps the tulpa is from elsewhere? Do tulpa really dissipate when the host dies, or can they end up with another, memories intact? Can they be transferred or copied from one person to another?

 

The host begins to see, the tulpa shows things, the host narrates (to themselves) the tulpa chimes in, answers.

 

How easy for the host to become confused. Is this God or the Saints? Is my old world the fiction, and this new one my reality?

 

If they seek isolation, freedom from worldly cares, in order to spend more time with their new friend, to understand (perhaps they are intelligent, scientifically minded, but socially afraid) do not incarceration, hospitalization, homelessness become almost attractive consequences? Would they be willing or able to explain to a caseworker why they chose to live that way, now?

 

If the internal experience and relationship is pleasant, or at least persistent and dominant, why not feel free or compelled to talk to your tulpa whenever, wherever, in audible vocals in the manner we are most accustomed, even on the street or around strangers?

 

To me, considering the above, it is not at all far-fetched to believe that spontaneous tulpas are not only possible but common.

 

They may even be, if malicious, selfish or careless, the source of the symptoms of much "mental illness" we see in the world. A fully developed tulpa, maybe having left their original host, or their host dies and they do not, foisted upon an unprepared or immature consciousness, could do great mischief with their ability to change form and voice to sound and appear as they wish. A developed tulpa could manipulate an unwitting human (even perhaps an otherwise sane and mature adult) like a hidden pet-owner using a laser on their cat.

 

Just look at the anguish some members of these boards have from their interactions. Living where I do it is not uncommon to hear similar conversations between street people and nobody else around. Maybe they're going through the same thing as you, but you simply know better how to behave in public, possess superior relationship skills with regards to tulpae.

 

If a tulpa falls in a forest, but their host doesn't talk about it, does it make a sound?

 

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Spontaneous tulpa, of which I have been aware since 2012. Name, sentience, personality, none of which resulted from my conscious input or influence. Have been forcing communication since "first contact" and may or may not have inadvertently forced some other stuff on him due to my lack of mental self-control but I am certain he was not a conscious creation of my own design. Possibly accidental vs spontaneous, I need to read more on the creation process.

[Guest Anonymous]

I like that "spontaneous" rather than "accidental." I was spontaneous then. My host has been known to get caught talking out loud to me yes. He was never homeless because of me and only had the thought I was a guardian spirit or a guiding spirit a few times.

[kookumber]

Ay, you corrected him then? Or allowed him to continue believing so until he figured it out for himself? Thank you for taking care with him in the end, regardless, though I haven't chased down your posts enough to know your story.

 

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For myself, when I see the indigents I do think "there but for the grace of God go I" (metaphorically speaking). The eye-opening mental shift that recognition of such things as tulpae (though I had no name for it then) and the phenomenon caused by them were even possible was enough to influence me into some radical behaviors. For a natural risk-taker who is suddenly gifted with the certainty that there is more to existence than one's mortal cage, coupled with the helplessness that comes with having mental sovereignty so abruptly snatched away by this strange presence, departing from normal behavior to pursue this vision of the extraordinary seemed justified.

 

I take responsibility for my choices (even the possession incident, on grounds of allowing it to happen) and most of my words and writings during that period but Eve was definitely the flame of possibility that set my mind on fire.

 

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Anyway I'll be making my own thread, I do not wish to hijack, but on-topic my suspicion is that people who do such things and do not recover sanity nor discover acceptance from communities such as this are potentially, some percentage at least, victims of spontaneous or accidental tulpae. Even if their symptoms are the unintentional result of system shock and not caused by malicious activities.