Switching guide in dreams (in progress)

[Virgil]

Bah, I'm tired of typing. Here are some curt points.

The conduct of a scientific inquiry may be affected by suppositions, which are often based on theoretical research, but its results should be as unbiased as possible.

The rest of the first sentence may be true, but I fail to see its intent and relevance.

Salubrity or insalubrity bears no relevance to most research, especially to the kind whose goal is to attain understanding and knowledge.

Much of neurological research of the human brain is conducted by experimenting on various sorts of animals. I don't think that what holds true for several mammalian species including the human would be discrepant for a human with more than one mind.

People with tulpas may be a special case, but a tulpa's existence doesn't and can't affect the entire CNS.

To science, the word mind is quite useless, since it's just too ambiguous. Moreover, the mind has very little to do with the regions that the material I posted deals with.

 

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And here's my take on all that sciencey stuff which is relevant but not quite what we seek: I prefer being knowing but reasonably sceptical to being ignorant or worse, being one who conceives hypotheses from scratch and gathers all data on one's own in spite of the existence and availability of information accumulated over decades through scientific inquiries by so many. You can try to adapt the available information to your research or whatever and you can make educated guesses. There's always a risk of a theory being dead wrong, which will eventually lead to its being supplanted and your telling yourself what an idiot you've been for having trusted it, but what you gain by trusting science greatly outweighs the possible loss.

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Ugh, goddammit! Clearly, I wasn't born to write.

 

Keep in mind that those theories were made while taking only one mind into consideration. So it might not be that the movement signals are blocked in general, but that only the sleeping mind's movement signals are blocked.

So it might not be that the movement signals are blocked in general, but that only the sleeping mind's movement signals are blocked.

 

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That's actually what I tried to explain. Never mind, I'll just try again (and possibly harder).

Though there can be many minds in one body, there can still be only one autonomic system and only one spinal chord. If the body can move normally, the glycinergic inhibition at the ventral horn of the spinal chord must be absent, therefore the medullar mechanism controlling atonia inactive, unless some of the pathways are dysfunctional, but let's ignore pathological and otherwise aberrant cases. If the inhibition is absent during phasic REM sleep, the signals from whatever mind will reach the muscles, and the body will move. So, it's either all the minds controlling the body or none of them.

None of that actually precludes the possibility of the host's mind still being in REM sleep, but it complicates matters considerably, as I tried to explain in my previous post. Note that this all transpires on a very primitive level, so the number of minds is very likely inconsequential in this instance.

 

I think I should repeat an important assumption, which is so likely to be true that you may as well treat it as a fact. The mind, no matter whose, and its direct influence are restricted to the cerebrum only (plus the whole motor system). The limbic system could probably be excluded as well. Anything beyond that is so out of conscious reach that we can assume tulpas can't influence it to any considerable extent.

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Also there seems to be a difference between the tiredness of a mind/consciousness and the tiredness of a body, so keep that in mind.

 

By tiredness of the body, did you mean muscle fatigue? You should really expound that, because I didn't quite get it. I'm too lazy to try to figure out exactly what I didn't get, so just try your best.

 

Incidentally, whenever you're talking exclusively to me, you might want to replace the adjective logical with reasonable or rational, because those are probably words that, in my mind, have a closer interpretation to what you meant.

[Kindofajerk]

I've been experimenting with the same thing recently. My lucid dreaming skills are rusty, so I don't have much to contribute.

 

Whether or not it is possible is not for me to say, but I think the best bet is to have the tulpa "wake up" instead of you. For me at least, if I use the WILD lucid dreaming method, I always wake up (if only briefly) after the REM cycle. And while you're lucid dreaming nears it's end, you can feel yourself getting "pulled" back to your body. There are a couple methods to delay this, such as spinning quickly (basically engaging your senses in the dream).

 

What I've been attempting to do is

1. Acheive lucid dream with WILD method

2. Go to my wonderland / Felicia (my tulpa) in the dream

3. Instead of having her try to possess mid REM cycle (and have to deal with paralysis, etc), have her wake up in my stead while I focus on staying in wonderland/the dream.

 

Have no idea if it is possible but I'll be sure to post if it works.