The difference between construct-tulpa, thoughtform-tulpa and a few other questions

[key-globe]

Because living alone is boring, I'm planning on having a tulpa live with me.

 

I looked at a few tutorials and there seems to be a similarity between intrusive thoughts and tulpa, I guess construct-tulpa is intrusive thoughts that has a specific structure with some specific purposes.  So what about thoughtform-tulpa?  I feel its definition is too vague to identify it.

 

There are some instructions that say that allowing a tulpa too much freedom of thought is dangerous, as dangerous intrusive thoughts will enter the tulpa as a vessel.  So the way to stop this is to turn the host/tulpa relationship into master/servant and have the tulpa worship the host like a cult.  But is letting tulpas have free thoughts really that bad?  I see a lot of people letting their tulpa think freely and interact with the host, causing that tulpa to develop extremely positively.  I really don't know the right one.

 

What is a rogue's tulpa and how does a tulpa become a rogue's tulpa.  How dangerous are they and how to avoid creating them?

 

Some people on reddit said that feeding a tulpa too much attention energy will turn that tulpa into an egregore.  I really don't know what eregore is and how dangerous they are, they say that you should give tulpa a task and when the tulpa makes them complete the task will they be fed, but you shouldn't bargain with the tulpa as much. Therefore, this method should only be considered as a way to tame the tulpa.  I don't know if this is necessary or if the instructions I read are problematic.

 

I was making a tulpa and intended to do this later in the day but at the time I was exhausted.  At other times of the day I have almost no time off, and sometimes there are only a few days a month when I don't have work.  Should a busy person like me create a tulpa?

 

The more I think about tulpas, the more I fear they are similar to intrusive thoughts. I am struggling with intrusive thoughts to get into flow at work.  Will tulpa cause me more trouble?

 

These are my questions, it's a bit long and hard to read because I use translate engines.  Thanks for reading...

Edited February 29, 2024 by key-globe

[ringgggg]

25 minutes ago, key-globe said:

The more I think about tulpas, the more I fear they are similar to intrusive thoughts

Tulpas themselves aren’t intrusive thoughts, but they can be perceived to be intrusive if you associate the thoughts themselves with them. Don’t worry; this issue can be cleared up with clear attention as to what’s really speaking to you. In the instance that you catch it happening, ask yourself, “is this them, or is it me talking through them?”. You’ll be able to discern impulse from tulpa with that approach.

[Lavender]

41 minutes ago, key-globe said:

There are some instructions that say that allowing a tulpa too much freedom of thought is dangerous, as dangerous intrusive thoughts will enter the tulpa as a vessel.

 

I don't know where you read that but that's not my experience. As a tulpa, I'm a free being and I'm entitled to whatever thoughts I want. My host consciousness wouldn't dream of limiting what I could think, say, or do. They want an actual friend, someone whom they can talk to, can interact with, and can learn from. In order to do that I need to be a creative, interesting, intelligent person. The only way to do that is to let me discover who I am.

 

45 minutes ago, key-globe said:

The more I think about tulpas, the more I fear they are similar to intrusive thoughts. I am struggling with intrusive thoughts to get into flow at work.  Will tulpa cause me more trouble?

 

I'm not an intrusive thought. I'm a headmate, someone my host consciousness talks to regularly. I don't think I cause trouble. In fact, I believe I have made a huge positive difference in their life. I try not to intrude, and I don't think that it's ever happened that my input was unwelcome or not helpful.

 

The bottom line is, that, in my opinion, it's not a good idea to create a tulpa unless you're fully willing to let them be the person they want to be and unless you're willing to be there for them as a friend and a headmate.

 

Good luck.

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56 minutes ago, key-globe said:

There are some instructions that say that allowing a tulpa too much freedom of thought is dangerous

That’s from a creepypasta, dawg. It actually just makes them boring.

[2serpents]

You have to look at some sources outside of social media. People on Reddit or TikTok or whatever just spread misinformation, whether for some sick pleasure or genuine stupidity. The internet just loves to be alarmed and outraged.

 

An egregore is a thoughtform created by a group of people, such as a club, a family, or a church. Egregores are not inherently good or bad. But you alone cannot accidentally create an egregore.

 

A tulpa is a type of servitor. There are ways to limit a servitor's power that are in-between the two fantastical extremes of (a) a demonic entity relentlessly draining your life away or (b) a servant worshipping you as its cult-master. Here is a very basic guide to creating a servitor.

 

[ringgggg]

1 hour ago, 2serpents said:

A tulpa is a type of servitor

I thought it was its own thing entirely, I’ve never heard of this interpretation

Edited February 29, 2024 by ringgggg

[Lavender]

3 hours ago, 2serpents said:

A tulpa is a type of servitor. 

 

 

Maybe some tulpas. I'm not a servator. I was not created to serve my host consciousness. I help out when I can, like anyone, but I don't work for anyone or owe them anything.

[2serpents]

3 hours ago, ringgggg said:

I thought it was its own thing entirely, I’ve never heard of this interpretation

People do use the term differently... but in the biggest sense a servitor is a helping entity attached to an individual and can include tulpas or thoughtforms, or familiar spirits, or daemons, or whatever your favorite flavor is.

 

If you look at the guide I linked, is it not strikingly similar to many of the guides on this website? A tulpa is just in the more fuzzy and complex reaches of the "servitor" realm. Instead of a simple job like "guard my home," it's more often a fulfilling purpose like "be my best friend and emotional support." Instead of a simple sigil or objective form, tulpas take more expressive and detailed shapes, personalities, and so on. The basic steps grow more elaborated and idiosyncratic, but the seed is the same. 

 

I think I've had this conversation before and my opinion has not changed. You may even completely trash my opinion because I wasn't even intentionally constructed by my host myself. All the same I do like servitor as a general name to free myself from the question of origin.

 

Anyway the original post mentioned egregore, "servitor" is a more common term and more often spoken in the same circles as "egregore," so I will say servitor in the interest of helping.

[Ranger]

I use cobud for tulpa and cocreation for tulpamancy

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

I looked at a few tutorials and there seems to be a similarity between intrusive thoughts and tulpa, I guess construct-tulpa is intrusive thoughts that has a specific structure with some specific purposes.  So what about thoughtform-tulpa?  I feel its definition is too vague to identify it.

 

Where did you get the terms "construct-tulpa" and "thoughtform-tulpa"? I have never heard of these terms before.

 

Otherwise, a "constructed" cobud to me doesn't sound different from simply creating a cobud. A cobud is a thoughtform, an autonomous entity in your head, regardless.

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

There are some instructions that say that allowing a tulpa too much freedom of thought is dangerous, as dangerous intrusive thoughts will enter the tulpa as a vessel.  So the way to stop this is to turn the host/tulpa relationship into master/servant and have the tulpa worship the host like a cult.  But is letting tulpas have free thoughts really that bad?  I see a lot of people letting their tulpa think freely and interact with the host, causing that tulpa to develop extremely positively.  I really don't know the right one.

 

Master-servant? And with the mindset it's some entity that can take over your life? 😂

 

Yeah no lol, mindset really matters here. Most cocreators either see cobuds as people who are friendly and supportive or imaginary friends, both of which are good company. While cobuds can be created with spontaneous thoughts, most aren't created with intrusive thoughts.

 

We actually have headmates who were originally intrusive thoughts turned cobuds. I don't recommend it, you're better off rejecting the intrusive thought and starting from scratch.

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

What is a rogue's tulpa and how does a tulpa become a rogue's tulpa.  How dangerous are they and how to avoid creating them?

 

Rogue cobuds are a meme that me and my friends use lol. A "rogue cobud" is a rebellious cobud.

 

That aside, the only thing that comes to mind are thoughtforms that aren't supposed to be sentient becoming sentient anyway. You can prevent this by putting your foot down and deciding it can't and never will be a cobud. Don't ask questions like "what do they think?" or anything that assumes they could be or are sentient. You are the thoughtform in that case.

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

I was making a tulpa and intended to do this later in the day but at the time I was exhausted.  At other times of the day I have almost no time off, and sometimes there are only a few days a month when I don't have work.  Should a busy person like me create a tulpa?

 

It depends on the mindset you have. If you create a cobud believing they're a separate person, then that can stress you and your cobud out for not having enough time. If you believe a cobud is just an imaginary friend and nothing more, then if you don't have time no big deal. You don't need to help develop someone's personality if it's just you.

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

I was making a tulpa and intended to do this later in the day but at the time I was exhausted.

 

Maaaaaybe don't make a cobud while you're tired. It may make intrusive thoughts harder to manage since you're more likely to be stressed. If you decide to go about making a cobud, I would wait until you're more comfortable with the process before dabbling with late night forcing.

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

The more I think about tulpas, the more I fear they are similar to intrusive thoughts. I am struggling with intrusive thoughts to get into flow at work.  Will tulpa cause me more trouble?

 

You can make a backstory for your cobud and write down a list of traits. If you believe a cobud is a separate person, your cobud may reject the backstory and some of the traits you give them though.

 

20 hours ago, key-globe said:

These are my questions, it's a bit long and hard to read because I use translate engines.

 

I wonder if that's why it's confusing to say "intrusive thought" when it sounds like you're sometimes saying "spontaneous thoughts". Intrusive thoughts are unwanted while spontaneous thoughts are neutral. The connotation is different.

 

19 hours ago, 2serpents said:

You have to look at some sources outside of social media. People on Reddit or TikTok or whatever just spread misinformation, whether for some sick pleasure or genuine stupidity. The internet just loves to be alarmed and outraged.

 

...This is social media 

 

In general, there will always be advice that's weird, counter-intuitive, or unhelpful. If something sounds bad, don't do it. People have different experiences, there is no "universal cocreation". Pick the advice that you like and makes sense to you.

 

19 hours ago, 2serpents said:

A tulpa is a type of servitor. There are ways to limit a servitor's power that are in-between the two fantastical extremes of (a) a demonic entity relentlessly draining your life away or (b) a servant worshipping you as its cult-master. Here is a very basic guide to creating a servitor.

 

Yes, and a lot of people don't realize that servitors in a magic context are not the same as servitors that are well, "mindless" automatons.

 

I think magical servitors do more things than cobuds do, and from my understanding tend to have purposes cobuds do not have.

 

14 hours ago, 2serpents said:

I think I've had this conversation before and my opinion has not changed. You may even completely trash my opinion because I wasn't even intentionally constructed by my host myself. All the same I do like servitor as a general name to free myself from the question of origin.

 

Are you okay?

 

People may disagree, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. Cocreation is subjective and calling cobuds servitors really isn't a big deal. It does help to elaborate how you view servitors though.

[2serpents]

2 hours ago, Ranger said:

Are you okay?

Oh yes I am fine, thanks.

 

I mean only to say that I use servitor as a general term, not to offend people by calling them mindless servile automatons.

 

2 hours ago, Ranger said:

In general, there will always be advice that's weird, counter-intuitive, or unhelpful. If something sounds bad, don't do it. People have different experiences, there is no "universal cocreation". Pick the advice that you like and makes sense to you.

 

I wholeheartedly agree. Especially to avoid alarmist advice that tells you X is always bad or scary or dangerous or impossible. Absorbing those beliefs can just give you unnecessary fears and blocks  around things that would have no power to harm you.

 

Social media is the old double-edged sword, it's nice to have somewhere to share your experiences yet it's also too easy to get wrapped into other's subjective experiences and pulled off course. 

 

Echidna: There is a famous American story called "The Beast in the Jungle." The main character feels a sense of impending doom, waiting his whole life for something awful to come upon him. In the end, the terrible thing is that he missed out on his life purely because of all his waiting and dreading. If you expect that you will have a bad time with tulpa creation (or any psychological/spiritual phenomenon), there is some danger you are awaiting, then it could go wrong precisely and solely because of that expectation looming over all of your interactions. But if you get rid of the fear-mongering and just go in with an open mind and good intentions, there is no danger.