Inception and Lucid Dreaming

[AlphaAndOmega]

Inception is it real? Ok so lets assume I have a fully functioning tulpa that cannot use possession just quite yet but can talk and move freely. I am assuming even if it is possible extensive training with my tulpa would be needed. Is Inception possible, being able to go through dream and dream dive deeper into your subconscious until you could literally change your very personality. Is it just a highly evolved state of lucid dreaming? Does my wonderland come into play at all? What happens if I mess something up in my Subconscious(subC)? Lets assume that I already have free access into my subC, but nothing I seem to do changes anything, it just fixes right back up, I feel no change. For example; I smash a rock wall, it flickers then returns to what it was before, as if nothing has happened. If I were to enter my subC while lucid dreaming or while doing inception will it be different? Has anybody ever done inception successfully or semi-successfully before? I understand there have been questions similar to this, but they have never answered this question in the way I need it to.

[PsychoticDoc]

Nope.

[Linkzelda]

Inception is it real?

 

Waking life: Nope

Dreaming state: sure, if you want to believe that within that altered state of consciousness, being, whatever term you want to use.

 

I am assuming even if it is possible extensive training with my tulpa would be needed.

 

It may be possible if you’re willing to go through the motions like anyone else would do.

 

Is Inception possible' date=' being able to go through dream and dream dive deeper into your subconscious until you could literally change your very personality.[/quote']

I recommend that you check out a site called DreamViews, and ask this same question in relation to Inception. The only thing you’ll get out of this question is someone giving an assurance, but having no credibility to validate if Inception, or aspects in the movie, are possible. Sure, you can get into being more aware of your dreaming state, and that would probably be akin to “diving” deeper into consciousness exploration.

 

Inception is one of those movies that’s a lure and bait for newcomers that are going to be puzzled with lucid dreaming that offers them a chance to temporarily distract themselves from their quotidian lifestyles. With things like shared dreaming, dream within a dream, etc., you shouldn’t be asking if something is possible when they're probable within the conditions of what's probably going on in the confines of your mind to feel that your experience in dreams is similar to “Inception” the movie.

 

As for the subconscious and personality, you’re asking a lot of questions that would probably be answered from a metaphysical standpoint (and not the condensing of only the supernatural that some individuals think of in relation to metaphysics). When you’re asking for something about “subconscious,” there’s a lot of equivocation because people will have their own meaning of it. If you mean something like “unconscious,” “confines of your mind,” “totality of your mind,” or anything in relation to that, it’s probable that you could “change your personality.”

 

Though I could imagine that would involve using all sorts of methods with being suggestive for change, reinforcing that you can change yourself, and whatever modes of personal development.

 

Is it just a highly evolved state of lucid dreaming? Does my wonderland come into play at all?

 

Think of the “diving” as increasing your awareness in the dream state. As for the wonderland, sure, you can easily dive into your wonderland in a dreaming state, non-lucid or lucid. Though people probably have their own standards on what constitutes between wonderlands, dreamscapes, and even conworld (if they actually devoted a lot of time into emulating a virtual experiential reality like that of course).

 

What happens if I mess something up in my Subconscious(subC)?

 

No one can really give you an objective answer, it’s subjective and fair game for whatever happens inside of your head. The thing is about lucid dreaming, expectations can end up as your worst enemy, and may probably lead to self-fulfilling prophecies (with subjective outcomes) with whatever thought forms you interact with in that state as well.

 

Just because you enter the dreaming state doesn’t mean that if you touch a button you’re not supposed to press, that your subconscious, or whatever attribution of sentience you’re applying to that word, is going to break down. The whole experience in dreaming isn’t constrained to some Leonardo-DiCaprio-locking-old memories-that-he-must-overcome-to-find-fulfillment-in-his-life, you know.

 

Lets assume that I already have free access into my subC' date=' but nothing I seem to do changes anything, it just fixes right back up, I feel no change.[/quote']

 

If you have to make an assumption that you can “access” or “interact” with whatever figments of your imagination in the dreaming state, you should definitely invest in more research in anecdotal and experiential learnings from other people (e.g. DreamViews or even LD4All). Asking questions on whether or not you can instantly change yourself (self-schema, ontologically, metaphysically, whatever) will probably lead to answers relating to how things may take time.

 

If I were to enter my subC while lucid dreaming or while doing inception will it be different?

 

Try to see it as entering an altered state of consciousness, or maintaining your awareness you’d have in waking life into the dreaming state. You trying to think it’s entering your subconscious, when the experience is much more gargantuan to be constrained to a word that has constant equivocations, is you underestimating what your mind is truly capable of. The word(s) Inception and Lucid dreaming do not mean the same thing. If you’re talking about being aware of your dreams, that’s lucid dreaming. If it’s a beginning or start of something, that’s Inception. “Inception” the movie doesn’t automatically become a replacement, or even a metonym for lucid dreaming.

 

For example; I smash a rock wall' date=' it flickers then returns to what it was before, as if nothing has happened.[/quote']

 

Again, expectations. If something doesn’t work you either:

1. Do it again

2. Do it again

3. Do something else

4. –Insert infinite subjectivity of things to do here-

 

If I were to enter my subC while lucid dreaming or while doing inception will it be different?

 

When you’re lucid dreaming, you’re in the dreaming state, it’s automatically implied that you would be within the confines of your mind. If you’re stating that you’re entering your subC while lucid dreaming, it’s going to raise questions on what other “place” you think you’re in when dreaming. It’s really metaphysical questions you’re asking here at this point.

 

Has anybody ever done inception successfully or semi-successfully before?

 

If you’re talking about Inception as in the plot of the movie of the main character entering other people’s minds to extract all sorts of information, you’re asking a metaphysical question on controversial matters on privacy, shared dreaming, and such. Even if people claim they’ve done these things, there isn't (yet) empirical evidence to validate those claims. You’re pretty much (for the time being until a miracle in evidence comes in) reliant that lucid dreaming is a scientifically proven phenomenon.

 

 

 

I understand there have been questions similar to this' date=' but they have never answered this question in the way I need it to.[/quote']

 

Translation: What is confirmation bias

 

These questions have shown up on many sites, forums, etc. to the point of it being ad nauseam. And if you feel they never answered it the way you need it to, you’re just wanting to find people on your quest for confirmation bias. It’s no wonder you can’t get your answers resolved, because if you’re asking those communities you presumably asked or saw being discussed about before, they would most likely state the Inception (the movie) can mess up a lot of newcomers’ naiveté about dreaming in general.

 

The movie may be a nice introductory to explore into the concept, but don't take those aspects in the movie so seriously.

[AlphaAndOmega]

Thanks for the info guys I really appreciate that you put so much effort into your awnser thank you so so much. Seriously this is one of the best awnsers i have ever read.

 

I guess I'll ask some stuff about my subC in the metaphysics section.

[Guest Anonymous]

Inception is a movie. Don't assume that things from movies are real.