Advice on parroting?

[kovyxen]

So I've got a basic personality outline and a percieved appearance suggestion from her after only 8 hours of mostly narration and with a few emotional responses. It seems strange to me how things are proceeding so quickly, am I perhaps mistaking my own thoughts and ideas for her attempting to communicate with me? That seems likely in my case, however I really like the ideas and I'd enjoy her having them if she liked them, but when I ask her if she likes them I get no response. Any advice?

 

Also I know what answer I'll probably get but I'll ask anyway; about when do you think I should start parroting? We haven't officially decided her appearance yet and only have a vague outline for her personality, but I thought perhaps parroting might help because I'm starting my first tulpa with literally no basic idea or outline to follow, making this process rather difficult. Anyone care to explain their own experience with their tulpa's formation on the topic of personality development? When did you start parroting and when did you first start getting any kind of response?

[kovyxen]

Is anyone going to answer? I'm waiting to start parroting until someone responds to my questions, or until 10pm tomorrow. Whichever comes first, if no one can help.

 

Side note, I've now done 10 hours of narration.

[Kaga and Company]

I've never done any parroting for my tulpas, myself, but I really don't see the harm in starting at any time, especially since development of your tulpa is already moving along so quickly.

[kovyxen]

So I'm presuming at some point they just started talking? As far as I've gathered their communication abilities sort of evolve from emotional responses, to intent, then actual language. How long did it take for your first tulpa to reach these stages? :) thanks for answering by the way~

[Kaga and Company]

Sorry but I don't really remember, since my first tulpa (actually my first several) came about accidentally before I discovered this site or really knew what I was doing. So, it's hard to give any usable advice on that front.

 

My first tulpa that I actually intentionally tried to create was Kael, and I started hearing his mindvoice only a few hours after I first started working on him - but that's probably because he wasn't my first, so, since I already had experience with tulpas, he was a lot easier to create.

[kovyxen]

Ah alright, thanks. :3

 

[ I'd still like more answers from whoever else might be viewing, so I can have multiple accounts of different people's experience. It helps, with gathering information and all so I know what to expect. ^^ ]

[Luminesce]

(Ah, there were a few responses while I typed this, shouldn't change anything though)

 

Sorry, the usual responders must be busy. So now you get me and my abnormal/ly helpful advice.

 

 

Why do you want to parrot exactly? I didn't create my tulpas here so I never exactly read through all the guides, but as far as I know people usually have trouble stopping parroting rather than starting. Also don't mind my seemingly different ideas on this, I take a pretty scientific approach to tulpas to make sure all of my beliefs make 100% sense.

 

So... (Edit: The issue of) Parroting doesn't really.. exist. Your tulpa is not a separate entity from you. What parroting is is you claiming the thoughts you're supposedly giving your tulpa as yours. As soon as you believe/accept that the thoughts are your tulpa's, they are. Sounds too easy, and it is. You're actually training your brain to work in a new way, and especially at first you won't be able to distinguish between a thought of yours and your tulpa's, including speaking. So I guess parroting is more of a way to get speech started, and get your brain used to "giving" thoughts to someone besides yourself. However I feel like believing from the start that you're responsible for their thoughts only makes it harder to eventually accept those thoughts as theirs.

 

So, don't? Think the thoughts. Recognize them as difficult to distinguish from your own, but believe that they're your tulpa's. They won't be completely different, and they'll still feel like yours for a while, while your brain learns to separate them. Over time your tulpa will grow its "voice", and eventually you'll find yourself thinking thoughts that really don't register as yours, but your tulpa's. For me, even when I'm not focusing enough to hear one of my tulpas' voices, the thoughts themselves come with the context of who is speaking. It's a mixture of intent and context. Sometimes a thought comes up while I'm distracted and didn't really seem to belong to anyone in specific, and in that case we either default it to me or "apply" it to whoever it fit best. (If a random compliment pops up in your head, it won't be the end of the world if you two decide it came from your tulpa. Just don't get carried away with non-attached thoughts being given to your tulpa, because intent behind what they think is important)

 

 

Oh, I forgot to answer the first thing first, I think. Going along with the your-brain-is-learning-something-new thing, asking a newly made tulpa direct questions usually doesn't work. They're capable of thinking (at least subconsciously), but your brain doesn't quite know how to comfortably say "This thought is your tulpa's" yet. You have to find ways to bridge the gap, or be prepared to try for a really long time to get that first response. Ask your tulpa to do actions, maybe write their words. Then make sounds, maybe hum or sing. I think I personally would transition humming to singing to talking. Don't know, it's been like five years, but it seems like that'd work.

 

I'm not sure if I completely covered all the questions you asked, so make sure to tell me if anything needs clarification. Maybe you can tell I don't quite answer like Sushi or Amber (maybe Linkzelda though, at least textwall wise), but most of my knowledge came from my own experience and from analyzing others' experiences here. I'm glad there's somewhat organized information on this site for so many to access, but I consider my own ideas equally valid and helpful. Broadly. Nothing suits everyone, and if you're of the belief that a tulpa is something external or supernatural (for certain, not "maybe, maybe not" which is perfectly fine) then my advice probably doesn't you. I feel like I'm off topic. Sorry, I've been up for a long time and when I'm tired I rant I should stop typing now

[kovyxen]

"Sorry, the usual responders must be busy. So now you get me and my abnormally helpful advice."

Heh wow thank you ^^

 

"Why do you want to parrot exactly?"

I want to parrot or something of the sort because I believe it might help develop my tulpa's personality better, because I'm going on zilch here and have no idea what to expect from her. So I thought perhaps if I just teach her how to talk, instead of simply waiting for her to pick it up, I could more quickly get a better idea of what's she like, to spare me the confusion and uncertainty which I fear might affect her.

 

"I take a pretty scientific approach to tulpas to make sure all of my beliefs make 100% sense."

Same here, I think we have a very similar mindset on tulpa. :3 I'm really interested in the psychology of it, the brain can really do some amazing things.

 

"What parroting is, is you're claiming the thoughts you're supposedly giving your tulpa, as yours."

I don't really understand what you mean here, that's literally the exact opposite of how I thought of parroting.

 

"So I guess parroting is more of a way to get speech started, and get your brain used to "giving" thoughts to someone besides yourself."

That's precisely what I've been thinking of it as

 

"However I feel like believing from the start that you're responsible for their thoughts only makes it harder to eventually accept those thoughts as theirs."

I never thought of it that way, I innately and fully believed that I'm just simply sitting here waiting for them to get the hang of things. That my thoughts and theirs are entirely separate.

 

"Going along with the your-brain-is-learning-something-new thing, asking a newly made tulpa direct questions usually doesn't work. They're capable of thinking (at least subconsciously), but your brain doesn't quite know how to comfortably say "This thought is your tulpa's" yet."

Makes sense

 

"I think I personally would transition humming to singing to talking."

That sounds about right to me, I'll see about trying that~

 

"Maybe you can tell I don't quite answer like Sushi or Amber (maybe Linkzelda though, at least textwall wise), but most of my knowledge came from my own experience and from analyzing others' experiences here."

That's generally how I do things, so yeah cool hun. ^^

[Luminesce]

"What parroting is, is you're claiming the thoughts you're supposedly giving your tulpa, as yours."

I don't really understand what you mean here, that's literally the exact opposite of how I thought of parroting.

 

I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who already understands the whole thing, so it doesn't make quite as much sense, but at least I know what I'm talking about because I've been through it before. Basically, even when your tulpa does speak/think right now, it's going to sound like your own thoughts normally would, because your brain hasn't learned how to make a thought your tulpa's rather than yours. (Which basically feels like the thought doesn't belong to you. Not that it's alien or an intrusion, just that your tulpa was responsible for it, not you) Expecting a tulpa to suddenly burst out speaking probably won't work unless you're an accomplished lucid dreamer or something. You just have to get them talking, and have faith that the thoughts are theirs and you aren't making them up. (Even if you are, your brain will never learn to distinguish theirs from yours if you believe every thought is just you and that they're incapable)

 

After a varying amount of time of having some thoughts be "theirs", they'll start to develop a little context attached to them, what we call mindvoice. There may or may not be actual sound-voice with it, but it's called mindvoice because it feels like there is. And over time, with practice, the mindvoice-context gets stronger, until it's pretty easy to tell the difference in your thoughts and your tulpa's. Just don't forget that tulpa thoughts aren't coming from outside your brain - they'll appear just like any other thought. The difference is that your tulpa takes credit for them. At first this requires faith, and over time the difference becomes more apparent.

 

Can't really explain it more than that. Think I'm going to sleep now.

[kovyxen]

Ah alright, sweet. That perfectly summed up just about everything I was unsure about, thanks! X3