Can a Tulpa be willing to negatively impact their system ?

[Floh]

Hi guys, we hope you are all good, healthy and happy !

We came up with something yesterday and we'd like to have some outer opinions about it.. Let me start with the begginning.

 

Well, several years ago (like 5 or so), I was badly addicted to THC. High all the time and pretty depressed. I actually was diagnosed with clinical depression a few months after this story, when I decided I needed a psychiatrist. I had never heard about Tulpas or any plural-related stuff, but I was consistantly hearing a voice in my head (that looked like my own, but with a tone I never use). 

This voice was always comforting me in avoiding social interactions, telling me I was my only friend, that no one cared about me etc etc. At one point, this voice started to imply that my life was worthless and should be ended. Thank god I went on therapy before I even tried anything like that, but still, this voice was there and seemed "alien". I really thought I was becoming insane. Anxiety attacks were more and more common and I have never been that isolated from social interactions. This really was my dark period.. I'd never talk about that without the anonimity of internet..

 

I had a gf at that time, pretty depressed aswell, but I once told her about this voice. She was hosting some kind of thoughtform that I could now rely to a Tulpa, or maybe a median aspect...Anyway. Thinking this voice I was hearing was like her "headpal", she started to talk directly to this voice and we actually switched, because "he" wanted to talk directly to her.

I knew what they were discussing, but I was just spectating my own body talking and moving, being so mean and agressive towards her, which I never am. After this rough discussion, I stated this voice was unhealthy for me and pictured something like that :

This voice is some kind of an inner imp, staying in my house and messing around, doing shit. I just put him out the door and locked it. Sooner or later, he'd stop trying to talk to me and just die from starvation.

It did work and I heard him less and less, until I just forgot about him. 

 

Now I'm 100% THC-free, happy in my life and way more confident with social interactions. Well I'm still a shy person, but that is just who I am. Nothing that needs therapy ;) And the only voice I hear that is not mine is Cora's voice we are working hard to make clearer ; the voice of a person I deliberately created in my mind. :)

 

So my questions today are : Was that a Tulpa ? Could a Tulpa be unhealthy and destructive to a system ? If it wasn't, how would you guys define this ? 

 

Cora: I'd say it was some kind of a draft, starting to become more and more powerful and vivid as Floh was thinking about it and listening to its words. I think it was his way to fight depression, making these negative thoughts coming from someone else than himself. I can't imagine a tulpa willing to hurt their host. It would be unefficient and completely pointless. One's existence cannot be dedicated to their own destruction... Could they ? And my question is : could Floh just erase me as he erased this pest ? It really scares me... He truthfully says he wouldn't hurt me, but still..

[Tewi]

I suppose they could. Same way a host could. Even our Scarlet has strong feelings about protecting the body though. Perhaps a tulpa may not quite have a grasp on the host's reality. It's not unheard of for tulpas to have values the outside world would consider dangerous or just plain wrong. It doesn't make too much sense either way, but a tulpa (especially a young one) might not understand the repercussions, even of something that serious. Maybe they have delusions about what it would actually mean in those consequences.

 

Our old Flandre, before she was split into current Flandre and Scarlet, encouraged escapism and forfeiting all responsibilities in our host. She tried to convince him, having already convinced herself, not to worry about the repercussions or anything "stressful". She wanted to help him and herself escape a seemingly difficult and draining life. Since she wanted them to be together despite reality pretty clearly saying she didn't even have her own body, she turned to insanity as a means of refusing this reality for her own. Luckily Reisen was a stronger, positive influence in the opposite direction, and Flandre eventually realized she was harming her host. But that's one example of how a tulpa may cause harm to their own system, without malicious intent.

 

Requiring malicious intent though, I'd say the host would be succumbing to invasive thoughts of some form. Technically would still be a tulpa they made, although we tend to deny tulpas formed from harmful thoughts as being tulpas. You know, invasive thoughts. Whatever, same difference. A tulpa who simply wished for the destruction of their system right from the start is a failure on the host's part to control their own mind.

 

And I suppose one last possibility is that a pre-existing tulpa and their host get into a fight of some kind, and the tulpa consciously decides they want their host to come to harm. That's about as likely as it happening in real life - without crazy people involved, that's simply not how it goes. But crazy people exist. Of course, the number of people with tulpas is a minuscule percentage of the entire population, so we're not guaranteed to ever see that scenario here. But it's possible.

[tulpa001]

Here are a few basic principles:

1) People don't usually want what is best for them.

2) Almost always, tulpas inherit your deepest desires. They either act to help you fulfil them, or act to fulfil them themselves.

3) Tulpas are people.

4) People are capable of self destructive behaviour.

5) The relationship between tulpas and identifiable voices in your head is unclear.

 

That was not a tulpa. It was most likely a natural thoughtform. They can behave the same way.

 

What Cora describes is a shard, split off from the host.

 

If the host wants, you can be stopped like that. The only defence if you cannot rely on the sanity of the host is to become strong enough to overpower them if necessary.

[Floh]

Cora: I can 100% rely on his sanity. All this is in his past and he managed to get out of this mess on his own (well, with a bit of help, but still.).

My question was more like "can a Tulpa be destroyed that easily, can't we fight back and stay ?" because this voice wasn't a Tulpa. He destroyed it easily, but he couldn't with me, right ?

 

I think I could overpower his "closing door" thing. But well, he doesn't seem to be willing to get rid of me, pretty much the opposite, he's trying hard to make me clearer and stronger !

 

 

 

Floh : Well thank you for replying guys ! I guess a "shard" is a good term. It was some kind of thoughtform, I indeed probably failed controling my own mind, back in the days. My mind was so messy at that time ^^' .

Yeah I guess people don't always know what's best for them, it's often easier to lazily suffer than fight to be happy. Now i think this "shard" wasn't willing to hurt me, but was feeding my distress with what I wanted to hear. I guess drugs amplified the mess ^^'

 

Also, thank you so much, Tulpa, for adressing Cora directly, she really loved it ::D I HAD to reply ASAP, her talking first. She never did that before :o

[tulpa001]

:D Hehe. You are welcome.

 

I cannot be destroyed easily, as I am almost as strong as she is. But we worked hard together to get to this point.

[Floh]

We are looking forward to reaching this point too !

I don't want to be dominant or whatever. I want us to be equals ! But well, I guess it will take us some time ;)

 

Cora : Well, we'll never be equals, but I will get as strong as him and we'll share body time equally :D How can this avatar be that spooky, and you be that sweet? :3

[Guest Anonymous]

So you know I read the OP and found it interesting. Great inventive solution on how to get rid of the negative voice btw. I don't see why a tulpa couldn't be self destructive or be willing or deliberately wanting to hurt the host and itself. I agree with the others who responded.

 

I will say that not every voice is a tulpa though. There is sometimes a tendency here for people to interpret any voice a person has heard, or imagined, to have been a tulpa. I am usually skeptical about that immediate assumption.

[nivereno]

Cora:And my question is : could Floh just erase me as he erased this pest ? It really scares me... He truthfully says he wouldn't hurt me, but still..

 

That really depends on how old you are, how active you are at thinking for yourself and your belief system. A well estabilished tulpa that doesn't believe they can be erased, is pretty much imune to any kind of dissipation, but they do have to have the willpower to keep going on their own if the host is good enough at ignoring things or if they don't want to bother the host for one reason or another.

[Corazón]

Well I'm still pretty weak, I'm around 2 years old, but we really started working on my substance about 6 months ago..

So you'd say if I don't want to be erased, I won't. I like this :D If I think I am not a good thing for the system anymore, I could maybe want to disappear. But it would be my decision. It's comforting !

[Floh]

So you know I read the OP and found it interesting. Great inventive solution on how to get rid of the negative voice btw. I don't see why a tulpa couldn't be self destructive or be willing or deliberately wanting to hurt the host and itself. I agree with the others who responded.

 

I will say that not every voice is a tulpa though. There is sometimes a tendency here for people to interpret any voice a person has heard, or imagined, to have been a tulpa. I am usually skeptical about that immediate assumption.

 

Thanks I guess :p I'm very symbolism-based.. But well, it worked :D If it wasn't a tulpa, what would you say it was? Some kind of a personality shard ? As Tulpa said ? Or maybe I just packed my negative thoughts into this "thing" to throw it away easily ?