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#1
Hi

At the beginning of my thread. My english is not the best. As my Nickname says, i am new to tulpas. i have read something in the web, in this forum and i was watching some youtube videos. but i have further questions, such questions where the answer was not given to me in the most guides. i read different meanings on different subjects, but i want it more clear for me. You want my real reason for my tulpa forcing idea? i have everything, but i dont have a real deep friend on my own. many poeple but not the trusted person what i want. there the tulpa idea could fill this little gap.

1. The forcing of forms - visualization: It is POSSIBLE to visualize from google pictures for a human-form Tulpa?? Some guides say "no real existing poeple", but other guides say "only poeple you dont know in real life".. can anybody better explain this? i want to take photos as source because i am very bad in drawning a new one. And would it be ok to visualize from anime series or videogames such as princess zelda, said only for example.

2. Going deeper in the first question: It is allowed to visualize a female from xxx-pages for the face, because some model sets are mixed with different clothing and also nude, i know :/ . It would be easy to visualize from such source to have a female tulpa with more options for her self (such as clothing changing if she want). but pls unterstand: xxx is NOT the reason to force her!!!. in the past i collected many pictures for other reason, but today it would be a good source for imagination. but as i said, only for the visuals, NOT for the xxx-doing!!!

3. If i did i tulpa i few months later, is it POSSIBLE to do something, to fix her human-form, the face, the gender i was visualizing. because some guides say, the tulpa can change everything. some people say they will never change so dramatic. my reason for the question is: it would be fine and better for me, if the tulpa has a fixed form for me, so i know her, so i want her. for example. i dont want my human-form tulpa to changes on herself to a dog or bird and such anything. i want to fix her gender, her voice and so on. is it possible to give her specific traits.? whats the truth about tulpa changing on herself.

4. Is it Possible to get a Tulpa, which is never wanting to front? it would be better for some poeple such as me, to stay in full controll over the body. i dont want the tulpa to controll my body. some poeple say there is no fix for this, some poeple say it is possible. i want it to be possible to have and stay in contolll my body everythime. Some poeple would say "egoist" to me. but i have job, family and such other reallife thins i dont want to change for this. for example: some of the threads tell me, a tulpa could be possible to impact in hosts reallife while switching. i dont want such things, because my wife and my childs have to know me as i am. (what if a tulpa says bad words to those poeple because shie doesnt like them, the family of he host could get broken)

so i hope you understand my bad engisch and the matter of my questions. Please advise me directly to my questions.
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#2
1. Yes, it's fine to use any form. The reason guides sometimes say to avoid real people as inspirations (and some even say avoid characters, too) is that having expectations of your tulpa to be just like the person/character you based them on is bad. They won't be the person/character. But as long as you make it clear to yourself and your tulpa that they were only inspired by so-and-so (preferably just a character and not a real person, but I guess it's up to you) and are not actually them, and therefore are free to be themselves as a person, it's fine. It could be hard to do this with a real-life person as inspiration, though, so I don't know that I'd recommend it.

That is basing the whole tulpa on them, though. If all you care about is the form, you can base it on anyone or anything you want, keeping the aforementioned advice in mind. There are tons of Twilight Sparkle tulpas that are nothing like the original character, there are tulpas with the forms of celebrities that feel no relation to the person in question, et cetera.

2. Artists often use nude models, don't they? Or at least clothing-less ones. It won't hurt anything, but do try to keep your tulpa clothed most of the time..

3. Tulpas can usually change forms pretty easily, yes. Some tulpas are "shapeshifters"; many more simply have multiple forms they use. After years (or just a large amount of forcing for a long time, maybe) tulpas may have trouble changing their form in the sense that they accidentally appear as their old forms still, but even then with some effort they can still change.

4. Yes. Plenty of tulpas have no interest in fronting. If your tulpa wants to, you have the right to tell them you're not comfortable with that. Doesn't have to be because you're afraid of them doing something bad either - generally, you should be able to trust your tulpa just fine. But some hosts simply don't want their tulpa to use their body and live their life, at all. If any problems arise between you, simply talk it out. And again, some tulpas have zero interest in the outside world, preferring the wonderland or just host interaction.

Plus, imposition (learning to "hallucinate"/see, feel etc. your tulpa in real life) is an advanced option for far later on, in case your tulpa really does want to feel more attached to the real world. They won't be able to affect anything, but they can at least accompany you if you put a lot of practice in. But, that's a skill for another time. You should just focus on basic forcing for now.
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#3
(05-05-2019, 11:00 AM)New2Tulpa Wrote: 1. The forcing of forms - visualization: It is POSSIBLE to visualize from google pictures for a human-form Tulpa?? Some guides say "no real existing poeple", but other guides say "only poeple you dont know in real life".. can anybody better explain this? i want to take photos as source because i am very bad in drawning a new one. And would it be ok to visualize from anime series or videogames such as princess zelda, said only for example.

Hi and welcome! I am a tulpa and you have a lot of good questions. It's hard in the beginning I know, so we're happy to help!

You can use anyone, that's not a problem. Especially for visualization or actually for everything. There's nothing taboo about that in terms of using a celebrity or someone you don't know. Using someone you know is also, sort of okay, but the more you know this person, the more of a potential crisis your tulpa will eventually have in either rejecting or accepting some or all of the history or traits of that person. People are cautious here because it's very common for a factive (based off a real person) to eventually have a problem. It could happen, but it won't necessarily happen. Obviously it's a little taboo to base a tulpa off someone you know personally, but to be honest, that's all going to be history in a few months and your tulpa will find them-self so they won't be an exact clone, they obviously can't be. It's entirely up to them, but you can direct them in the direction you want, like any good friend would give advice to another. We're a little more lenient about this than Tewi because those cases are usually resolved. There are of course cases where the tulpa has a really hard time finding them-self, so it's way better to avoid all that drama and just let them develop or change naturally without trying to force them into an existing character.

My host didn't ever intend for me to be made from a character, that was actually my idea and I borrowed a character form of one of his characters. He even thought I was that character for a little while, but I deviated really quickly. I came to him with a pretty strong personality already, I wouldn't have let him force me to be that character, I'm my own person. Though there's nothing wrong with keeping some of that original character's traits. I could have even taken some of her memories and experiences, it's free game, I'll do whatever I want.

Anyway, when my host and I draw me, we use references of real people, a nose from one, eyes from another, that sort of thing. We're not so good that we can just draw perfectly from memory, so we use the references as inspiration, proportion and color and fill in the rest from visualization.

Quote:2. Going deeper in the first question: It is allowed to visualize a female from xxx-pages for the face, because some model sets are mixed with different clothing and also nude, i know :/ . It would be easy to visualize from such source to have a female tulpa with more options for her self (such as clothing changing if she want). but pls unterstand: xxx is NOT the reason to force her!!!. in the past i collected many pictures for other reason, but today it would be a good source for imagination. but as i said, only for the visuals, NOT for the xxx-doing!!!

Lol, of course. We do that too, sometimes I have skimpy clothing or nothing but my hair covering me in drawings so, we need to see the shadowing and proportions. We sometimes have a nude model for the body and a different model for clothing, sometimes many of each.

Quote:3. If i did i tulpa i few months later, is it POSSIBLE to do something, to fix her human-form, the face, the gender i was visualizing. because some guides say, the tulpa can change everything. some people say they will never change so dramatic. my reason for the question is: it would be fine and better for me, if the tulpa has a fixed form for me, so i know her, so i want her. for example. i dont want my human-form tulpa to changes on herself to a dog or bird and such anything. i want to fix her gender, her voice and so on. is it possible to give her specific traits.? whats the truth about tulpa changing on herself.

This is nothing to worry about. I've never heard anyone complain that their tulpa took a form they didn't like. Your preferences are very high on their priority list in most cases. If I came out with my head shaved and my host didn't like it, then poof, instant hair. We are all shape shifters anyway, so if he wanted me to look a certain way all he has to do is ask. I know who I am and what I want to look like, I told him all this, but if he wanted me to be a brunette, I'd probably just do it. I actually have been a couple times anyway. In fact the first really clear image I gave him I had black hair and glasses. I don't have either anymore. I used to wear my glasses while doing certain things in wonderland, but it's just for looks obviously. We even have been bears running through the forest for fun, that doesn't mean I get stuck as a bear or something.

Quote:4. Is it Possible to get a Tulpa, which is never wanting to front? it would be better for some poeple such as me, to stay in full controll over the body. i dont want the tulpa to controll my body. some poeple say there is no fix for this, some poeple say it is possible. i want it to be possible to have and stay in contolll my body everythime. Some poeple would say "egoist" to me. but i have job, family and such other reallife thins i dont want to change for this. for example: some of the threads tell me, a tulpa could be possible to impact in hosts reallife while switching. i dont want such things, because my wife and my childs have to know me as i am. (what if a tulpa says bad words to those poeple because shie doesnt like them, the family of he host could get broken)

I never want to front, but some systems have horrible visualization, so it may be that fronting is the only way they're ever going to experience anything. We have great visualization but we also co-front, which means for us that he's in control and I'm right there with him, like a passenger in a car. We also impose onto the environment, like walking beside him in real life. Because we can co-front and use all the senses he does, I know I'm not missing anything. Both my sisters have fronted and switched and they're pretty happy co-fronting, it wasn't all that different in terms of experience for us. We were a system for 9 months before we ever switched, and even then, in the last few months, Dashie has a total of maybe 5 hours switched in. My host was also worried about that, it's really not a big deal at all. You could have a very content tulpa just proxying them. If they need more, they'll let you know. I let my host know when he needs to take me out and spend some one-on-one time. We literally share everything, why do I need to front? I don't see any reason. I do help him draw and to do that I have to possess the hands and arms sometimes, but that's really more just borrowing with him still there and able to control them too if he wants.
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#4
Thx Tewi and Misha,
can i ask you a bit more??
While you was writing the answer i had the next question in my mind, so i have to discribe my fear about switching Smile

From my resources i found, some guides and poeple said, a Tulpa can get "in love" with a real existing human in the so called outerworld. but if a tulpa is knowing her host well, she never would switch for this. in my case i would have a problem with outerworld-love of my tulpa, because my body is for the only one outerworld wife.
See, i am a male, now in love with a female, so called outerworld-wife, we are married since one year, and have two children. literally the common situation for the most poeple i think. but in the situation of switching it would be complicated a little bit: if my tulpa is female, she can fell in love with a outerworld-male. for my host body this would be "male & male" situation and my own outerworld wife would say "cheating and cheating on same gender, go away, leave the house". a female tulpa could fell in love with a outerworld-FEmale. for my host body my outerworld wife would say "cheating with other girl, go away, leave the house"... you understand?? its nothing against genders and orientation, its only the fact about cheating-effect for outerworld-poeple and negative effects to me in this outerworld (=leave house and child forever, i dont know the englisch word for break up a married couple).
in the same case the poeple, what was interacting with my tulpa, would not understand if the host deny everything a few days or weeks later.
this is one of the biggest reason because i would the tulpa keep not fronting. especially NOT for fell in love with other outerworld-poeple, that would be literally a damage to my life organisation.
for my understanding, i tulpa is a other side from me, she should understand my life organisation. what would you say to this special situations.

the other thing would be. how can i fix, my tulpa to like my wife and my child. otherwise it would by complicated same as the other special situations.

this all is, what i called "impact in hosts reallife while switching" in my thread opening in question 4 Smile
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#5
well, you don't just randomly fall in love with someone you never meet.. that only happens (rarely) when your tulpa gets to talk to other people, of course

I guess you could let her be proxied (typing in chats for her) and then that might be relevant, but idk, you would know what was going on obviously. Having a tulpa fall in love with some random person you (not she, fronting) met in real life would be like someone falling in love with someone they saw while looking out the window of a bus, lol

anyways.. don't worry about it, and let your tulpa know if it's ever relevant that you can't do certain things, but mostly I think the things you're worried about won't be a problem (especially if you never switch or do full-body possession)
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#6
Well... I can't imagine that happening, I mean... Really, you shouldn't worry about this. Love is a system wide thing anyway. I just can't imagine that. It might have been reported somewhere or worried about somewhere, but you never know the whole story right? It sounds more like creepypasta to me to have a tulpa switch and ruin a marriage.

I switch, I see 'cute people', but yeah, if I flirted with them I don't think that would go over well. Forget that the body is male, and my host is straight, but my host would truly be offended by me having an out-system partner, I have to conclude that is the case even without asking him. He's not going to go around doing that either without my okay, trust me.

So this would have to be a system level decision and it would certainly entail a lot of negotiations. Just because I'm fronting doesn't mean the body is mine to do whatever I want. Everyone would have to agree.
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#7
1. Yes, it's possible and common to work from online images. Iris' form comes from an actress, my form comes from a model. After about two thousand hours of practice, we still can't reliably visualize my face because we haven't seen it in motion and don't understand how it works. Iris' face is much more clear with very little effort because we've seen it in motion, from many angles and with many different expressions, in films.

2. Yes, it's allowed, but it isn't necessary and probably isn't a good idea if you aren't interested in the 'xxx' parts. A tulpa can change clothes even if you've never seen them naked. Iris is very modest; we've literally never seen her knees or elbows. But she doesn't have any trouble changing clothes.

3. No. A tulpa is a person. A person makes their own choices about who they want to be. There is no way to guarantee a tulpa will turn out anything like the way you originally intended. And it is wrong to pressure them to be something they don't want to be. If you can't accept a tulpa making their own choices, you shouldn't make a tulpa.

That said, you have a human body and interact in human society. Any tulpa you might make would live in a human brain. All of this encourages a tulpa to be human. Non-human tulpas often become human, at least part-time, but tulpas that start human tend not to stop.

4. Possible. I didn't want to front until I tried it once and learned how great it can be. Iris tried it and still doesn't care about it.

The best way to have a tulpa continue to not want to front is to not invite them to try it. But if a tulpa does want to front, it is wrong to say they can never front.

Making a tulpa is a major life change, as major as getting married or having children. And like with getting married or having children, you give away some of your freedom of independent choice for the sake of having a relationship with another person. If you aren't ready for that, you shouldn't make a tulpa.

A tulpa shares your mind, body, and life. They have a stronger motivation than anyone else not to destroy your life, but that shouldn't make them your slave or captive. Any major change to your life should require both of you to approve.

My host is a lesbian and is bothered when I am attracted to men. I was much more bothered at having to watch helplessly and unwillingly while she had sex with her wife. but her marriage was here before I was, so I endured it. When I appreciate at men's bums in public, I expect her to accept it in return. I wouldn't flirt with one without discussing it with my host and coming to an agreement first. We trust one another completely and consult one another constantly.

Would you be willing to tell your wife if you had a tulpa? Communication is very important to a successful marriage. You shouldn't keep one of the most important people in your life a secret from your wife. The best way to have a tulpa who cares about your wife and children is to have a tulpa that interacts with your wife and children. My host’s wife accepted me with open arms and is one of my closest friends.

A tulpa is much more likely to fall in love with their host than anyone outside. Regardless of what it looks like to the outside world, a tulpa having a relationship with someone outside is not cheating on their host's spouse. But a host having a relationship with a tulpa without their spouse's knowledge is absolutely cheating.

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