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Hey everyone!

 

I have read a fair amount about tulpa creation, however one subject that I have not been able to find much on is the concept of merging. I understand that it is a highly controversial subject, all the same I would really be interested in learning about it. For example, personal experiences on the matter (wwhich I am aware there may not be much of), possible dangers, and how one might accomplish the task. I appreciate all comments!


To clarify, one of the reasons that I am especially interested in this subject, is that I am considering creating a tulpa for this specific reason, so I can possibly create a JaySkyecrest 2.0 if that makes sense. Ii see that I may be able to perhaps remove some of my dislikeable qualities and perhaps improve myself. I know some of you would be against this and I ask that you just hear me out. Thanks everyone!

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Perspective #1: I’ve seen people want to engage with reoccurring dream characters in their non-lucid and lucid dreams that they feel represent some epitomized version of some amalgamation of things that makes them feel at ease. Some feel them as the ideal model of a romantic love interest, or just a metaphorical higher self of some sort. If you truly wanted to foster the determined thought of a tulpa progressively striving to become a much better you, then you’d have to think about the logic behind this.

 

If you’re willing treat them as sentient, along with subsequent action sustained by more thoughts of them being better than you in some way, wouldn’t you think this would develop an inferiority complex of some sort on your end? To clarify on that, if you wanted them to be this entity with a progressive strive to be better than you, you would always have to be seeking out to find any kind of inferiority within you just so they prevent themselves from garnering those attributes, and thus you have your mary sue tulpa.

 

Now, like you mentioned before, people will always have mixed views on how one should apply normative ethics when it comes to having tulpas being part of self-betterment, enlightenment, existential coping with life, and things of that nature. But for you to have to treat them in a way where they will always be better than you while you’re having some perpetual inferiority complex to further your propensity of believing they’re a 2.0 of you, it seems like it’s an escape from using simple retrospect and self-reflection of yourself in general to see what you can improve on.

 

And the merging itself seems to be more of an intense and symbolic experience to feel that all of those predispositions you’ve created (e.g. that perpetuating inferiority complex) will suddenly be absolved from your awareness and actions. I guess it’s a matter of disposition of how much people want to accept that they can’t really destroy all of those unlikeable qualities of themselves since when they garner new dispositions, there’s going to be some kind of nuance where it has a flaw in some way.

 

And even if you should merge, and really feel it’s happening, it’ll be like having a superiority complex where you’re denying and concealing any feelings of inferiority and failure, and you’re back again into being predisposed to make another 2.0 of that 2.0. you spent so much time to develop.

Perspective #2 (in case the first didn't make sense): Think about it, if you’re busy finding faults in yourself to further only ideal traits onto a tulpa, and wanting to absorb and merge them to feel that sense of assurance, only to realize you may be progressively doing this in some way, just use common sense and know that there are better ways to analyze yourself and becoming a better individual while also accepting those faults and nuances that doesn’t resonate to you as a part of yourself overall.

 

But with that presumption being said, I won’t be surprised that people’s perpetual ebb and flow with superiority and inferiority complexes seem to contribute partially to tulpas existing to them in some manner when they combine the self-fulfilling prophecy of treating them as sentient to sustain that yearning to become a better individual; it’s like finding someone other than yourself within your head, and making self-referential assurances that you can merge with them, and deny any future nuance and flaws that may come when garnering an amalgamation of dispositions you feel is ideal to function in your quotidian/daily life. Maybe we all have this tendency at some point, and may be doing this while our tulpas show up in many shapes and forms with their own dispositions and personality to sustain that yearning we have.

 

I just know from experiences with my dreams, it seems to be a never-ending cycle of finding flaws in yourself, and wanting to improve from that only to realize the more you find some epiphanies of yourself (and even your tulpa), and see that this could be that “opportunity-to-set-things-right” end-game experience of self-betterment will probably loop over again in some shape or form, and realizing that totality of yourself may just be progressive, and doesn’t stop at a mere merge with your tulpa in waiting.

 

Will you lose the novelty of the memories those tulpas may contribute to you? Will you get lost in your way of forgetting to use retrospect and being self-reflective to the point where all you can think about is constantly having an unsettling feeling of your existence? If you can somehow find a silver lining behind all that, then you’re free to do what you want, my friend.

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As a tulpa, i'm not in favour of merging because it would mean my erasure basically. Just 'becoming' my host is not an option i'd go for. Basically i'd have to hide, stop thinking, and just be some reminder-bot bored of her own existence.

 

Tulpæ are people, closer than family. Try offering respect, freedom, and good lessons. Teach your tulpa about reality, not just wonderland. Consider them like your emotional peer and intellectual partner instead of just a mind-screen HUD, and then you may find that they have actually grown to have a different enough opinion from your own that you have to start working with them, not just playing with them. Explain along the way and encourage them to ask questions so that as they grow, they start to ask questions that are harder and harder for you to deal with.

 

And eventually, i think mature tulpæ often want to break free from their story and start acting more like system-mates, want to take part in human life, and actually help share the effort. Once i'd mastered possession, i really wanted to be the Captain of our Meat-Ship. Though switching/possession might not be the 2.0 self that you want to make, it's really what a tulpa can be if you work with them properly.

Early member of a large system.  Our system questions the way the afterlife and tulpamancy interact.  We genuinely suspect that deadies can return to share the mind of the living.

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Hello Everyone!

 

First off I really did not mean to offend anyone(Host or Tulpa). Thank you all for your answers! They actually helped me with some self realization.^^ Above all, I am simply a curious person, and because I cannot find much on the subject, I am really curious to know how the process would go down, and what the dangers would be. Thanks all!

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Glad it helps

Early member of a large system.  Our system questions the way the afterlife and tulpamancy interact.  We genuinely suspect that deadies can return to share the mind of the living.

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I have to pretty much go with what Aijada said, though I myself am not a tulpa. I'm a host, though not the original occupant of this body. I'm multiple and then made tulpas. I do have some relevant experience. I have been merged with the original, S, for long periods of time - most of my life even. I still remember in April when I decided I wanted to separate from her. Being merged brings on a collection of identity issues for me. Some stuff there is no problem like the blending of our genders and mental health issues (well, I might have benefited more from this one than she did), but other things became oscillatory like our sexual orientation. There was also a tendency/desire/proclivity to over compartmentalization of our life that just isn't present when we are separated. That over compartmentalization had a few unhealthy consequences. I am so glad to be separate now. I should also mention that merges aren't absolutely stable. Mental breakdowns always separated S and I.

 

I should also mention that a the merging between two system members of vastly different strengths is actually more an absorption by the stronger one with little change in the characteristics of the composite from the stronger person other than often having identity issues. So in order to actually change a lot by the method you are attempting, a tulpa would have to be very developed. Also, my guess is that they probably would not like the idea, and rightfully so, and could reasonably fight for their survival . Think about it, if you had a new very strong member to your system just walk in out of no where, boot you from control and then try to absorb you, you would probably not be too happy and would try to fight. Try to think about it from the tulpa's perspective.

 

Now, the subject of merging is a very interesting one, one that has been written about a ton, just in other plurality communities. I would read a bit more about it in the multiple community where it is often called integration and/or fusion because that is what medical people call it. It is discussed a ton there because the medical establishment tends to try to force it down their throats. Astraea's Web has some relevant articles at Astraea Articles and Astraea: Guest Articles. The general theme you will find is that people are against it unless all system members who are going to integrate are on board and know exactly what they are doing (an informed decision) and a power dynamic is not being exploited by the stronger member to get the other members to be on board. Forcibly merging/integrating/absorbing/fusing with someone is likened to murder in the multiple community. Basically, voluntary integration is very different from forcible/coerced. The former can sometimes be good for all parties involved (I've known a few people in that boat) but sometimes can be bad (I've known a few people in that boat including myself and S). The latter is generally bad, but is sometimes necessary when safety is an issue and no other option is available (I've been there once with a fear that split off of me and took form). I don't think there is a moral question with absorbing servitors since they aren't sentient (in fact, that is a reliable way to stop them), but note that the line between servitor and tulpa is very blurry with many thoughtforms somewhere in between who are thus somewhat sentient and therefore there is a moral question in absorbing them. I suggest you read around and judge for yourself.

 

That all said, temporary merges and blending together can be a really interesting and fun experience, though it is often accidental. It can also be annoying. When the T start possessing, I am blended in to them to some degree that decreases as time rolls on, and then when control is handed back they are blended into me which decreases at time rolls on. Its kind of weird, but not unpleasant. Oh, and we also tend to play video games blended together which is rather fun. But we aren't interested in any sort of deeper level of merging and definitely nothing permanent.

 

- Hail

Tri = {V, O, G}, Ice and Frostbite and Breach (all formerly Hail), and others

System Name: Fall Family

Former Username: hail_fall

Contributor and administrator on a supplementary tulpamancy resource and associated forum, Tulpa.io and Tulpa.io/discuss/.

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What Hail said. I don't think merging is what you're looking for.

 

Some "shamans" talk about "shapeshifting". Some of them do believe that they can actually change form, while others see "shapeshifting" as taking on certain traits. So "shapeshifting" into a lion doesn't mean growing fur and claws. Instead, it means taking on the traits of courage, power, and authority.

 

I think what you're looking for is shapeshifting, not merging. Basically, go through the process of creating a personality, the way you would for a tulpa, and then try to transform yourself into that. Don't see it as an entity separate from yourself -- see it as a mask that you can put on and take off at will -- as an object or process that changes the way you look to others.

 

Initially you should try shapeshifting while you're at home alone, or while talking to people online, or with strangers in public, but once you get good enough at it, you can try it around people that you know.

"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson

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It is my personal opinion that you should not try to make a Tulpa unless you can admit to yourself that the only reason you're making the Tulpa is because you want to make a Tulpa. Additionally, creating a tulpa should not be a means to an end. What happens when you've accomplished your goal? What happens with the Tulpa? "I don't really need you anymore, but, uh, stick around I guess." That doesn't really fly IMO. If you have already read some of the posts here, you understand that what you are proposing is a very advanced technique. In addition to actually, y'know, creating the tulpa, you will have to nail down techniques that some folks who have been whacking away at for years have not been able to accomplish.

 

Separate your goals. Improving your personality is ACTUALLY NOT HARD if you ACTUALLY WANT TO DO IT. I can even prescribe to you a method right here and now. This might be a bit familiar if you have read any tulpa-creation guides, but instead of externalizing a trait, you will internalize it.

 

1: Identify a character flaw that you would like to abolish.

2: Think of potential situations in which that flaw would be brought out. Imagine what a better you would do instead. Resolve yourself to do it that way.

3: Constantly remind yourself throughout the day. Send yourself texts every few hours via IFTTT. Write it in ink on your hand. Create a representative bracelet out of yarn and wear it around.

4: When a situation comes up that touches on the trait, bring the Better You's actions to mindfulness and then immediately perform it.

 

A lot of folks think that doing this for 21-days will create a new habit that will be tough to break. Plenty of people dispute that, but there is some truth to it. We are what we repeatedly do is the cornerstone to almost every self-help book that has been written. I guarantee you that after a month of practicing your new habit, you will not have to think about it anymore and your personality will effectively have changed.

 

Make your tulpa anyways. Making forcing into a habit is one of the first parts of the process, and you're already making a habit anyways ;)

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I will add onto what lurkatron9200 said about changing oneself and changing habits. I've done lots of fiddling with myself, some wisely (got my aggression and temper completely under control) and some not wisely, which also didn't work by the way (kind of damaged myself trying to change something that should not be changed). Also, I am right handed. Was originally left handed. The switch kind of happened on accident when learning to write and after a while it stuck and it is really ingrained now. Well, ingrained for me. Seems the original of this system has reverted to being left handed. And the T are left handed. I suspect that A and E are left handed. Must be some weird brain thing. Oh well.

 

Also like they said, I am also of the opinion that one should only make a tulpa if the only reason is to make a tulpa.

 

- Hail

Tri = {V, O, G}, Ice and Frostbite and Breach (all formerly Hail), and others

System Name: Fall Family

Former Username: hail_fall

Contributor and administrator on a supplementary tulpamancy resource and associated forum, Tulpa.io and Tulpa.io/discuss/.

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