tulpas and security in a corporeal world

[Guest Anonymous]

This goes way, way back to that time I wrote something to the effect that sentience in a tulpa is not what is important, love is. There is a deep bond between hosts and tulpas. So close it makes such a thing described in the OP highly unlikely. Tulpas are not just sentient entities possessing part of a host's mind. There is a loving bond.

[J.Iscariot]

This goes way, way back to that time I wrote something to the effect that sentience in a tulpa is not what is important, love is. There is a deep bond between hosts and tulpas. So close it makes such a thing described in the OP highly unlikely. Tulpas are not just sentient entities possessing part of a host's mind. There is a loving bond.

 

That is implying tulpas have no free will that would push them to dislike the host under certain circumstances.

 

That is also implying that tulpas come out as loving of their host for absolutely no reason. Weird, right? How weird.

 

That is also implying that some people don't have certain circumstances, a dark psychological background, that would make their 'system' very unstable, which would lead to tensions.

 

I wish people in this community thought more out of the bubble instead of what concerned them in such a cornered perspective.

[Luminesce]

That is also implying that some people don't have certain circumstances, a dark psychological background, that would make their 'system' very unstable, which would lead to tensions.

 

If you've got trust issues then go ahead and take some precautions. But don't be rude about it, and don't assume everyone else does too.

 

This was a thread asking us to discuss something rooted in a belief not many share, to be fair. But you're right, people with any type of disorder that affects their ability to maintain healthy thought processes are liable to have trouble with tulpas that others would not. Whether that's paranoia or schizophrenia. Tulpamancy is generally assuming you've got decent mental discipline, yet ironically we often encourage those with mental disorders to try and make one anyways. I don't necessarily disagree with that, but it is ironic. Perhaps we should cover this sort of thing somewhere, perhaps in a collection of abnormalities.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

That is implying tulpas have no free will that would push them to dislike the host under certain circumstances.

 

That is also implying that tulpas come out as loving of their host for absolutely no reason. Weird, right? How weird.

 

That is also implying that some people don't have certain circumstances, a dark psychological background, that would make their 'system' very unstable, which would lead to tensions.

 

I wish people in this community thought more out of the bubble instead of what concerned them in such a cornered perspective.

 

Sweetie, I said highly unlikely, not impossible. In the vast majority of hosts and tulpas, what I said is absolutely true. If anyone can consistently think outside of the bubble, it is my host and I.

---

Also what I mean by saying sentience is less important than love, I mean in the creation process. Tulpas need love or at least positive attention, but usually love.

[J.Iscariot]

 

 

This was a thread asking us to discuss something rooted in a belief not many share, to be fair. But you're right, people with any type of disorder that affects their ability to maintain healthy thought processes are liable to have trouble with tulpas that others would not. Whether that's paranoia or schizophrenia. Tulpamancy is generally assuming you've got decent mental discipline, yet ironically we often encourage those with mental disorders to try and make one anyways. I don't necessarily disagree with that, but it is ironic. Perhaps we should cover this sort of thing somewhere, perhaps in a collection of abnormalities.

 

First, it's mario. What do you honestly expect after the book he made and the kind of shit he went through? People come here all the time with their 'odd' cases and being the cool oddballs they are, they ask about them. It's obvious as hell that he went through some shit with his tulpas, only difference is that he's not writing about it on tulpa.info all day and releasing too many details of his private life on a forum (yet did so in a book you can buy on amazon, shit, I even read it for free). Just because someone talks like that doesn't mean that they're set out to offend and/or insult literally every tulpa and host in the community. Maybe that's just the way they view things, things that apply to them. But I am aware that he used a very poor way to ask his question in a way that it drifts off attention from his being, and everything in this post by no means justify that mistake.

 

Do you think he came on tulpa.info with the mindset 'Oh boo I am going to make such an interesting conversation on how tulpas are dangerous' (and they CAN be dangerous just like people can be dangerous, it's funny because someone I used to know told me that in order to answer half tulpa-related questions, you only needed to replace the term 'tulpa' with 'people', and 'people' who live in your head under certain circumstances can pose a threat if you end up in that situation). Don't you think that he's asking about this because he feels like it's something he should fear or stay aware of? He's obviously paranoid enough.

 

Tulpamancy isn't assuming shit with due respect. I have seen 13 years old kids being encourage to make tulpas because the kids could say 'yes, I am responsible enough' without making the assumption that they weren't saying the truth. I've seen derision being encouraged on places like reddit, people just want to accomplish their goals and complete their own personal emotional agenda and everything simply works out for them and they work it out in their minds 'just because'. 'Just because' is not enough 'reasoning' or proof to one's self. If a tulpa can love its host unconditionally in some scenarios, a tulpa can also hate its host for certain reasons. If OP is going through such a situation (which is why he made a thread about it with shitty wording that brought up this entire argument about whether it's about everyone or just one case). I know you don't hang around on IRC but this is MARIO THE GUY WHO WROTE A BOOK ON HIS BRAIN AND HOW IT REACTED TO TULPAMANCY. Very ugly stuff. I am not faulting people here for being people and taking that stuff to such a personal level (we're expected to know about everything Melian and Mistgod imply in their post because they talked so much about it on the forums literally everyone but we can't know a guy needs certain psychological aid just from the stuff he wrote in his book, you're probably thinking 'But Judas how am I supposed to know he wrote stuff already on his situation?', you don't, but I just told you that now, nobody's at fault really it's just a big misunderstanding), think of my post as more of a clarification than anything really. I don't seek to argue because we're going to end up saying 'oh you're right' and waste bandwidth (well it's going to be me telling you that you were right all along). Juuuuuuuuuuuuuust saaaaaaaying.

 

I also agree on the other stuff you said. Man that was an intelligent idea, what you linked, that shit is needed.

[Luminesce]

Sheesh, your agreeing with me felt like I was being lectured.

 

I understand your point of view with the "replace the word tulpa with people" thing, but I've got a different view. Tulpamancy is based on belief. As far as we know it's not a common natural phenomenon in the sense that once you attempt to create a tulpa your natural hardwiring kicks in and it all goes smoothly. Everything people experience was influenced by where they've gotten their information from, which while primarily these communities does also include their life experience. And most of the time, people really do only experience roughly what they (or we) expected to. Every time they ask a question or read an answer, they're creating a reality for themselves, a dome of anything-can-happen-inside-these-parameters in their subconscious mind. What they do consciously is of course up to them, but unconsciously they're conditioned to see this phenomenon and its possibilities in a certain way. And that way is, under typical conditions of finding tulpa.info before any other community and creating a tulpa here, basically always how it goes. I've read enough progress reports to see that, as someone who is essentially still an outsider in my beliefs, everyone who learns entirely from tulpa.info experience some arbitrary "norms" that technically aren't natural. The system works.

 

But it only works for healthy, average blank-slates. Anyone else will have to cover some (or lots, or it could just not even work for them at all) incongruencies with their own experience. And of course, not everyone is going to be able to do that smoothly. That's what the point of my idea was - we really don't account for people that don't fit our general "norm" very well. And that's probably because we've gotten fairly comfortable with redirecting metaphysical-minded members elsewhere. But we've more or less ignored mental disorders, and similar traits that people may have. Though we sometimes deal with them on a case-by-case basis.

 

I've got an idea to continue Evil's "Tulpa Anomalies Repository" should no one else make anything of the post I just revived, though as Nonefromhell stated it would be better if it were maintained by multiple people. But I could do it myself if need be.