Do you consider your own tulpa(s) to be independently sentient?

[waffles]

Okay. Yeah, I read it, and I (think I) get what you mean. I guess the point that you're making is possible, yeah, knowing about neural pathways might not help that much. But I find it hard to believe that you think you already know everything there is to know about tulpamancy in practice. There's just, if someone does ask for some advice, it would help to know what's good advice and what's not. Something that simple seems obvious, but it isn't, not without exploring in a quantitative sense how much certain things help to achieve certain goals, or what other kinds of advice there might be.

 

Yes, when you say, "At best I can imagine physical improvements - more efficient "forcing" and such." - isn't that what you want? You want to help people in practice. Anyway yeah, I guess this discussion doesn't really matter to continue if you don't like it.

[Tewi]

The advice I give, and that most users request, isn't usually 'physical improvements' so much as 'mental improvements', as in changes to how they think. That can be called information, or beneficial beliefs. I think I have a good foundation to give that advice on after all the time we've spent here. Knowing everything in this case would entail knowing of every single person's experiences, and of course I don't. I'll keep learning from new people as they show up here. And maybe the advice I give will get better over time. But at any specific time, I don't know how to give it better.

[Guest Anonymous]

It seems at least enough people understood what I meant by "independently sentient" to answer the poll. So far the results are pretty consistent with previous similar polls. Around ten percent, well currently 8.6% perceent or something like that, believe their tulpa to NOT be independently sentient.

 

The reason why I keep doing these is to make a point. I think, once again Mistgod and I are really thinking this: it isn't a homogeneous body of tulpas all of the same make. We really think, but can't prove, that there may be a mix of tulpas that are independently sentient (the majority) and some that are existing and acting autonomous, but are not independently sentient. We think it depends a lot on the host's goals and opinions about tulpamancy perhaps and expectations.

 

My host does not have the goal of creating an independent entity. He never did. So he got what he expects to get, an imaginary person he shares his world and who he considers a product of his own fantasies. In our opinion it is not that my host, and others like him, are mistaken about the nature of his own thoughtform. He is correct about me. Also, in the end, the internal experience is profound and life changing. There is no way to know if this subjective experience is very different from the experience of other tulpamancers (that majority) who view their tulpas in a different light.

 

My host and I have concluded, after a year of observation, that tulpamancers create their own internal subjective reality when it comes to their tulpa, that is based on goals and expectations and beliefs. There can be more than one determined outcome for tulpa (independent sentience or illusory aspect of the host) and both are valid and correct as tulpas and both outcomes exist simultaneously within the community, exactly as people are reporting them.

 

At least one person reported a totally different experience of sentience, in which the body itself was the sentient being as a whole and that sentience was shared between different distinct persons. (please forgive me if I just totally misrepresented that)

 

My host have a somewhat similar view with our feelings that we are an apparent median system. I am an apparent or illusory fantasy personality or aspect of a single mind or a single sentient being. It is a profound experience for my host that has been life changing, powerful and significant for many years. There is no way for sure to know if this experience is very different from other tulpamancers who view their tulpas in another light. Mistgod and I have been like a yo yo, flip flopping back and forth as to whether this experience is still a tulpa or not. But, I probably am pretty much a tulpa.