Perceiving a tulpa's form (How can the form be independent?)

[Stevie]

But this appears to be an endless cycle.

 

Time is a flat circle.

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay I, Mistgod, I am an independent autonomous tulpa. Let's assume that. How am I perceiving the other independent, autonomous tulpas in my head (other hypothetical tulpas)?

[Tewi]

When you send the signal to your brain expecting a thought of some kind, it uses subconscious information to create those thoughts in your conscious mind. You're "controlling" your tulpa perhaps in that you can decide when or when not to elicit a response of some kind from them - it's commonly said that tulpas require the host's attention to live after all. But in the intercourse between both of your thoughts, what the "tulpa's" thoughts elicit of your unconscious and subconscious mind are just as much them "controlling" you. The response I give when Lumi starts a conversation will just as much affect our mind. However the host - or whoever is in charge of the mind at the time - has a lot more control over starting these things. Most tulpas can't perpetuate their own existences. And my host couldn't say something right now, unless my mind decided it was required he do so. That doesn't even need to be a conscious decision on my part, but then, plenty of tulpas seem to do things on their own without their host expecting it. There's an awful lot more going on in your brain than your own personal conscious thought after all.

 

I can't explain to you how your brain has intricately created these illusions or how we can manipulate them. Study enough psychology and you'll start to understand though. When you break through the wall of illusion and start seeing others' thoughts and your own as more biological, scientific processes, things make a little more sense. But awareness of this fact doesn't free you from your subjective reality, it just gives you a better idea of how much control you have over it.

 

So, you're not much worse off not understanding if you're comfortable with the way your life is.

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay I am a visual person. Sometimes it takes a picture for me. If the brain or main consciousness or whatever were a big bubble, the tulpa identities would be the little bubbles and they all use the brain? So when one talks all the other can hear it? It's like calling for my wife on one side of the house and she hears me on the other? I mean we tulpas are all inside one medium, which is an overall universal consciousness with little sentient bubbles in it?

 

Sorry, I am trying. The idea of Melian as a little glowing pink bubble appeals to me.

[Tewi]

You aren't your brain. Your brain's a big bubble, and "you" and "Melian" are smaller bubbles inside of it. I'm not saying you two are the same size or type of bubble, but that potential exists for tulpas (like us). The brain itself creates and hears the thoughts. "Who" thinks they're hearing those thoughts or who they're directed at is all determined unconsciously by your brain. This seems inconceivable I'm sure to you, but in the bubble of your brain "You" are quite a small one. Unconscious and subconscious information and processes are the bulk of it. Your bubble is identified with the larger one, since "you" call the shots on what you consciously think about and what the body does (or at least, on a large scale you do. Nothing like a Sociology textbook to make you realize how little of your life you actually control.) That suits most people fine, although I think it can lead to a lot of suffering, identification. Identification with a car or pet or company's stocks can all "hurt" to lose, because when you've identified with them they've become a part of that bubble your brain made called "You". And that concept goes all the way up to identifying with your own thoughts. Now, tell me how many people aren't identified with their house and wouldn't be emotionally affected if it burnt down? People are friggin' identified with their state's sports teams for god's sake. Un-identifying with your own thoughts isn't really conceivable, huh?

 

Well, that's what we did. We've recognized the game of life for what it is, but you can never hope to really grasp what reality is, so we still play of course. Get immersed in a video game, get immersed in life. Sometimes our friends get really mad or upset at what happens in the games we play. But we don't. We balance our immersion for the sake of fun - trying to stay alive, beat the enemy team and capture the objective - with our remembering it's only a game - not feeling terribly upset when we die or lose. You could say we've done the same thing with waking life.

 

Don't hurt yourself trying to understand that though, it's not reality either. It's just our personal reality. Real to us, but you could just as well consider us crazy as "enlightened". But it's impossible to fully un-immerse yourself from the life you literally live and experience completely, I think. Doing so is what most religions/spiritualities refer to as Enlightenment actually - commonly referred to as "The end of suffering". I don't really believe in it as a fact, only as its own personal subjective reality.

 

"The less you know about the game, and the less you remember you're a player, the more senseless living becomes." Richard Bach

 

 

This is what happens when I get tired of explaining things, philosophy nonsense. Maybe it's for the best if you just nod and smile the next time we mention subjective reality.

 

[Guest Anonymous]

Well, if it helps, thinking of the brain as a medium in which my identity floats, and my identity is just a little piece, does make sense to me. That would explain things like MPD or DID or natural multiples wouldn't it? So I most strongly control the machinery of the brain maybe and Melian follows my lead in believing only she is imaginary while I am real?

 

This is not good. She is observing this conversation.

 

You have answered the question though of how one "independent" mind can perceive another and still be independent. They exist within a greater medium of consciousness. They are not totally independent because they all float within the same bubble and use the material of that bubble to communicate and interact.

 

Like the house analogy. My wife is one end of the house, I am on the other. The house is the brain. When I call to her, she hears me because of sound waves. The sound waves could be analogous to synapses in the brain that both bubbles perceive at the same time. They perceive the brain itself but from different perspectives.

 

Another good analogy, that might even make more sense, is digital art and "layers." The base art would be the brain or universal consciousness, and the semi-transparent layers would each be an sentient identity. Each identity exists throughout the entire brain, but just have their own virtual layer or perspective. Like multiple identities all existing within one physical medium.

 

This is getting trippy.