Forcing while in sleep paralysis?

[Prisma]

Is it effective to force while in sleep paralysis? I am quite new to tulpas but over the past month I've been working on my tulpa and drawing out its appearance. Just this morning I had my first experience with sleep paralysis, it wasn't freighting as for most people experiences with it. For me it was a bit dark in my room and I was staring up at my ceiling, instead of being completely frozen I could actually move if I really wanted to. I began to feel a heavy weight on my chest instead of panicking I was surprisingly calm and was taking slow breaths, after laying there for few minutes my tulpa flashed in my mind, thats when I began visualizing my tulpa. It was amazing how easily I could visualize my tulpa during this state, though this didn't really last long cause I kinda scared myself out of it with the way I was breathing. After reading some things about sleep paralysis, this brings up another question, was I actually in a state of sleep paralysis?

[Guest Anonymous]

I think only you can answer this question. Experiment with it and see if it is effective for you. Every person is different. I don't know about sleep paralysis, but I do experience that half awake state practically every morning. It is when my Melian is strongest and most autonomous.

[Prisma]

I think only you can answer this question. Experiment with it and see if it is effective for you. Every person is different. I don't know about sleep paralysis, but I do experience that half awake state practically every morning. It is when my Melian is strongest and most autonomous.

Hmm, thank you. I will continue trying this and see what'll happen, I kind of have the idea what got me into that state so it'll be easy for me to experiment with it.

[Guest Anonymous]

It will be interesting to read your PRs on this!

[Tewi]

Props for not freaking out when experiencing sleep paralysis for the first time, that's respectworthy.

 

We've never experienced it ourselves (our body wakes up perfectly on cue), but from expansive research on lucid dreaming we know a lot about it. Just as with lucid dreaming, since you are closer to being unconscious than you otherwise are while conscious, your physical-mental connection to reality is lessened and allows for greater use of creative/imaginative abilities, perhaps at the cost of lessened grounded, realistic thinking. So basically: Yeah sure, forcing during sleep paralysis may be a nice supplementary boost for its ease of clarity. But I doubt it'll ever last long enough to be a primary asset. May I suggest attempting lucid dreaming? Sleep paralysis, for those that experience it, can be a powerful tool for inducing lucid dreams. It's also the preferred method of inducing astral projection if you believe in that stuff. Can't speak for the latter, but for lucid dreaming we imagine forcing could be much, much more effective and fulfilling than in waking life.

 

We're working on creating our own experiences with which to study the effects ourselves, but so far seven years with no luck. So I've only got theories for you, but theoretically forcing through lucid dreams may be one of the most potent methods of forcing. Not necessary though, if you experience sleep paralysis consistently then that could work too. You're effectively closer to a dream state while maintaining consciousness, though not yet asleep to actually lucid dream.

[Linkzelda]

Sleep paralysis can be like a double-edged sword, or a necessary evil for some. Something that’s dubbed as a biological process to keep us from moving in our dreams somehow becomes a holy grain for others to go much further than that. Almost to the point where they want it to be like sleep atonia where it’s an occurrence where this same phenomenon persists after waking. And to want to use this as a supplement for forcing seems it’ll only last temporarily.

 

Because what you’re wondering is if sleep paralysis, a transitory phase in ensuring one doesn’t move while they’re sleeping can instantiate with a blink of an eye. Some people think SP is needed for inducing dreams, or can be beneficial for inducing dreams, but not a lot of people even have awareness of it being done to them. They end up thinking they have to wait for their body to go through phases that are analogous to having lead on their body, or getting a disembodied feeling. They look for these things, and they wait hours on end only to be disappointed because they’re so fixated on getting into that phase that they end up getting less sleep, and waking up pouting that their chance of lucidity was gone.

 

So, to attribute that as an efficiency in forcing, IMO, is not really efficient because SP seems to be something that not a lot of people can instantiate at their will. And if it were possible, it’s really just locking your body up so you can shift your awareness inwardly. It kind of begs the question as to why a person wants to just rapidly start a biological process so they can lucid dream. Especially since it’s not natural for others to do that to their bodies. When you start wanting to do things your body isn’t accustomed in doing other than its biological intention, things start becoming unpredictable.

 

Kind of like a shorter person wanting to apply the same force and power taller, bulkier person could do with ease; the former ends up using more energy needed in order to compensate for that. I’m being a critic on SP because based on experiences I had in the past, it was something I thought was the holy grail for doing WILDs, and what have you. Over time, though, I realized there were more important things that I undermined that could help me reach my intention of having lucid dreams more frequently. SP is just a transitory phase, and may just be suitable as being transitory.

 

When one wants to capitalize on it, and make it last more than it’s intended, i.e., even after the onset of waking up, it seems more pragmatic to just get into lucid dreaming through other means along with waking life endeavors of forcing as well. SP is in the middle, and is temporary, and IMO, it wouldn’t prove to be efficient because it’s just a phase. Wanting to make a phase that’s naturally temporary drawn out even more, even when it's something everyone doesn't experience, or has awareness of experiencing doesn’t seem enticing to try and create sound logic on it being a phase to be in while forcing.

 

Now, for switching, it could be interesting. But again, it's just a temporary phase.

[Lucilyn]

Not that you should try to induce sleep paralysis, if you don't already experience it often naturally you might as well work toward just lucid dreaming. But, some people do get it often (not OP? never heard of someone only having a single experience later in life) and for them they might as well make use of it.

 

But yeah if you don't get it it's nothing to strive for really, unless you're going for aforementioned astral projection stuff. Which we are both really knowledgeable in and don't believe in. Also there's no normal reason to do it either even if it is possible. Just gopher the lucid dreaming thing.