Tulpa VS Quantum Paradox.

[QFlip]

Can a tulpa perform a task independent of the observation of the host?

 

My tulpa seems and claims to be able to; her entire wonderland was supposedly created weeks before I visited it, while I was sleeping or otherwise not paying attention to her. But I am unsure if she really did create it then, or if my mind rapidly generated it the moment after I saw it because of its nonexistence. From her point of view, she believes that she created the object independently, but it's possible this could be an illusion.

 

The human mind is incapable of comprehending an object that does not exist yet. When confronted with a quantum probability problem such as this, there are several things that could happen to the mind: it could frantically find a solution to the problem (generates the random object); it could do nothing and leave the object nonexistent; and/or it could temporarily slow or freeze operations (somewhat similar to when a computer lags or hangs) while it finds a solution, or something different entirely.

 

 

Here is an experiment to help find out whether your tulpa can create objects independent of your awareness:

 

Manifest an opaque wall that you cannot see behind. Ask your tulpa to move behind it, and then ask the tulpa to manifest a complex arrangement of random objects. (Examples: flaming tomato wrapped in copper wire on a stick, 3 sponges in a blender tied to a chair, bowl of chili on a lamppost from the future, etc.).

 

You, the host, must not have any thoughts as to what the object might/will be, or the experiment would be pointless since you could consciously or subconsciously pre-generate the object. This might prove difficult for tulpas that exchange most/all thoughts with their host (unlike mine), I'm not sure.

 

When the tulpa is ready, remove the wall and observe the objects and what happens to them at the moment you see them.

 

If the objects are almost instantly seen and acknowledged (as they would in real life), it is likely that the tulpa is able to function outside of your awareness, at least to some extent. If the objects take time to see in some way, it is possible the tulpa can only function within your awareness.

 

 

Another possible cause for the perceived auto-generation of objects may be the way a tulpa transmits thoughts to the host: if a tulpa created a concept, how would he/she store the concept inside the host's mind without letting the host immediately access it? It may not be possible to, causing the object to not exist and forcing the mind to take action.

 

(I'm not sure if I even know what I'm talking about, I apologize if I messed something up)

 

What are your thoughts on this?

[tulpa001]

This reminds me of that twenty questions black box experiment detailed in older threads on this site.

 

We tried similar before. If I try to imagine something complicated, like a way to surprise her, she usually sees it. Surprise.

 

A more major hurdle: Our mind can generate random objects at a split second speed.

[Guest Anonymous]

None of it proves a damned thing.  Sorry but that was my immediate thought.  Your brain dreams up stuff unconsciously all the time that just suddenly appear in the conscious mind.  At least mine does anyway.  I have yet to see a thought experiment or parallel processing test or EEG or MRI or Please Surprise Me trick that proves anything conclusively about anything.  This is all very interesting but in the end it is futile and pointless except for the entertainment value.  I suppose these mind tricks do indicate how a tulpa can seem to be independent, but it doesn't prove anything beyond appearances or that your mind is fooling you somehow.  

 

I voted for "object is inevitably known by the host" as Melian has trouble hiding things from me in our particular case.  She is not that very independent of me.

[Tewi]

The only way we could do that is to force a working knowledge excluding what we should know; ie, we can think and act perfectly as if what we want to believe is true (that we don't know), but we still technically do. It's an interesting trick in its own right really. Even knowing spoilers to a show or book, we can usually still watch/read them and experience them as if we didn't know. For example, trying to figure out what Dio's Stand was in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure based on the context and foreshadowing even though we already knew.

 

But that has nothing to do with this experiment. Our ability to think unconsciously is very limited. The majority of our thoughts, and all complicated ones, are immediately apparent to everyone in the system. Though this was posed as a test, we prefer it like this anyways. No arguments or misunderstandings.

[tulpa001]

None of it proves a damned thing.

It definitely proves something. It doesn't prove the things you are thinking about, but it reduces the number of possible models by which a tulpa might operate if they are capable of this ability.

 

Like Tewi, we can do little more than tell the other what we think or feel about something, or crack the occasional joke without the other seeing what we are seeing to an extent. But at least these days, we are not constantly hearing the other's private thoughts. It's just that we can't privately do math or create visuals, or apply formal logic.

[Guest Anonymous]

The OP was never saying it was supposed to prove anything.  Everyone ignore my hostie... again.   He has to show up and make his big cynical statement. Maybe that is his role here I guess.  Now he is all done.  I think it is a lovely idea to have a tulpa make a sculpture or something behind a screen that surprises you!  If you are able to do it and really have it be a surprise that is super duper groovy gravy awesomsesauce.