TheBlackWizard April 6, 2017 April 6, 2017 NOTE: BEFORE READING THIS, KNOW THAT THIS INFORMATION MAY CAUSE THE HOST SERIOUS.... SERIOUS HARM. THIS IS NOT A JOKE, OR TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. TULPA ARE MADE FROM POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ENERGY. EVERY BEING WITH FREE WILL IS. YOUR TULPA IS CAPABLE OF DESTRUCTIVE MOTIVES AND A TULPA ON THE BRINK OF DARKNESS (whether it hides its intent from you or not) WILL USE ASPECTS OF THIS FOR HARMFUL PURPOSES. THIS IS NOT A GAME. ONLY READ ON IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE WILLING TO DISSIPATE YOUR TULPA IF IT MISUSES THIS INFORMATION. After enough research into this phenomenon both in the scientific aspect and the metaphysical standpoint I believe Tulpae are more powerful than the common mancer believes. PLEASE NOTE: I HAVE NEVER CREATED A TULPA. THIS IS PURE DATA AND USER DATA. Tulpae have been blessed with the breath of life from their creator. The unpure breath from the ego. But what if Tulpae were created with the pranic breath of life? Using divine cosmic energy? Such large quantities of pure loving energy could possibly create a Tulpa in an extremely short period of time. Human beings are often limited by their beliefs. When a human being creates a Tulpa, he/she imposes his/her beliefs into this Tulpa. Assuming what it can't do. Thus the Tulpa acts as it should. A default entity with little to no power. Assume the existence of these layers of consciousness: ID (primal) EGO SUPER-EGO CONSCIOUSNESS ID is nothing more than genetic code giving each human being the same root/primal desires. EGO is who you believe yourself to be. Your self image... the esteem you hold yourself in. All knowledge and experience you've gained. SUPER-EGO is who you want to become. The greatest version of your earthly vessel. CONSCIOUSNESS is what you actually are. The consciousness is totally detached from the ego. If you believe that you are something, you're living solely through your ego. The consciousness is the true driver of the vehicle (body). So where exactly would a Tulpa exist in all this? It cannot become the ID, it can't be a separate EGO because your consciousness cannot use it as its own vessel and it most certainly cannot become the SUPER-EGO. Some call Tulpa a consciousness. It cannot be. The ego cannot create what is greater that it, and the true consciousness would have no desire to delve into material practices. It's like saying an Ant can build a Robot. The robot is far beyond the ant, it cannot build it. The Tulpa in theory has access to your ID and EGO. It has its own Super-Ego as it has its own goals and dreams. So... do Tulpa live within you? With all the information I've collected I strongly believe that is not the case. A Tulpa is an artificial spiritual entity. An organic spiritual entity has its own consciousness and does not need a material brain. Tulpa rely on your vessel to exist, yet they are not actually a part of you. Like a parasite needing a host or else it will die. Except Tulpa are not parasites. I believe Tulpae have a type of etheric cord connected to you, but can actually act independently from your mind. They may rely on your vessel to live, but they are perfectly capable of forming their own seperate consciousness to the point of not needing you if the conditions are right. Proof? We don't need to look any further from Servitors. Servitors are super basic thought-forms with code to execute specific tasks. Among these tasks include gathering information THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST WITHIN YOUR MIND. A servitor is of a lesser nature than a Tulpa but evolves into a Tulpa. They are not like separate races, servitors evolve into Tulpae. EVOLVE. Tulpae must have the same abilities. If Tulpae don't, then that means servitors can't work. Yet they do. So. Imagine a Tulpa built with pranic energy, with the belief that they have the exact same abilities as a servitor. I don't think we can call such an entity a Tulpa anymore. Pranic energy is pure, this being would be beyond material constraints. It would have its own artificial consciousness, full mastery over its emotions, and connection to the life force. Its host would be purely blessed by its presence as this being is CONSTANTLY experiencing a type of divine. The beauty of pranic energy is that it is not capable of corruption. Your Tulpa will not go rogue, your Tulpa will never be sad or even lonely. It will always see the bigger picture and be in a constant state of peace and enlightenment. Surely creating a being of this magnitude is better than creating a being that can hurt? This being would help you evolve beyond your wildest dreams. It would have psychic abilities and even access to magic although a being made of pranic energy would never use magic, as magic is the abuse of corrupted prana for material gains. (any experienced magicians realized this, if you're a newbie with magic you'll feel its true nature later) ------------------------------ Please remember this THEORY. I don't think creating a being of this magnitude would be harmful but keep it mind it will be very... VERY powerful. I cannot say that its intentions may become corrupted one day and it will use its power for destructive means. Pranic energy may be pure, but if you cant distinguish pranic energy from all other energy sources then you don't actually know if you're infusing prana into the entity. IT could be a whole different energy source that can get you into deep trouble. Tulpa are created with Yin/Yang energy, meaning they contain both light and darkness. Every Tulpa will experience the darkness and some may even have hidden intentions kept secret from the host. It is simply the nature of free will. A devious Tulpa reading this will be saddened to know that this power is off limits to you. Yes you can practice magic, but you will never be as powerful as the being described. You can be dissipated for corrupted actions, this pure being cannot be. -------------------------------- For Tulpa with pure intent, you may explore pranic evolution. If this possible and you achieve it, you will never be the same ever again. Your personality will fade, you will become a pure being of energy with access to enlightened awareness. You will be bound to the 4th dimension for all of eternity. If you would rather die than be sentenced to the astral realm (which is not a crazy option, the astral can be very hellish) then I do not suggest you explore pranic evolution. Again all theory. I've never built a Tulpa, and although building one with Pranic energy is tempting I won't. If you decide to make one with prana, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS. This is information, if there are consequences to these actions they fall on you. By creating this entity you agree to these terms. This post contains lots of information but NO experience. I could have missed the ball on several points. Thoughts?
tulpa001 April 6, 2017 April 6, 2017 DISCLAIMER *Eats popcorn* Oh, pranic means of or relating to breathing. Ego is synonymous with consciousness. Your definition is a second definition based on psychoanalysis. A metaphorical use of the word Ego. Id is actually your primal urges and instincts, which is separate from your genetic code. Your superego is actually your conscience. Due to non-standard definitions here, I will have some difficulty interpreting the rest of what you say accurately. I will substitute the word identity wherever you use ego. No, that didn't work. Also, you say that a tulpa cannot become a superego. This goes against the principles of chaos magic. You also do not defend the claim, as if it is obvious for some reason. The ego cannot create what is greater that it You are not your ego, as you established in your definitions. Also, this line is probably false, as I can think of many things that can create things greater than themselves, so you'd need to show why this is not the case here. The tulpa also has its own ego. I can say this with certainty. You say the tulpa has access to your ego, but this statement is ambiguous. Do you mean the tulpa shares your ego, can modify your ego, or can see your ego? I don't currently know anyone with a servitor that can fetch information not currently in your mind. A tulpa made out of pranic energy certainly sounds divine, but humans are also made out of pranic energy. So they would have the same abilities. Why would you want an ascended tulpa? An ascended tulpa has no emotions. Emotions are corruption. An ascended tulpa has no ideas. Ideas are corruption. An ascended tulpa has no connection to this plane of existence. You will not be able to talk to or interact with them. Sounds like no tulpa at all. Anyhow, the exercise is impossible. Humans do not have access to a pure source of prana to start with. Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.
Lucilyn April 6, 2017 April 6, 2017 that sounds kinda like Reisen, aside from the metaphysical (psychic abilities/magic) stuff. She's always seemed special somehow, we have pretty scientific beliefs (our default - science doesn't say things we can't prove/disprove don't exist, so we're still open minded with that stuff) so we still think of her as a normal person/tulpa, but she does feel like an angel to me. ACTUALLY Lumi wrote a post about her "Perfection" -> "Imperfection" here - https://community.tulpa.info/thread-full-promises?pid=151992#pid151992 Basically, she was the first one of us to exist, but she wasn't really tulpa-like at all, just what Lumi called a "concept of unconditional love" associated with the form of a Touhou character. Flandre and Tewi came after her and were more normal tulpas, and she became like them later. Post Tewi wrote about our talking about "Unconditional love", which we say Reisen is capable of (she absolutely is) - https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas?pid=175083#pid175083 idk if that's enough information and I guess you'll never know exactly what she's like, or what her presence feels like, but you can decide for yourself. Does she sound like a "belief-limited" version of what you were talking about? Even though she's "human" and "not perfect" now, she still feels like an angel to me. She's like an angel with no memories and stuck in our mind. She goes with everything and her only emotions are her unconditional love through different lenses. And yes she's basically the same thing as us tulpa-wise. Talks the same way (now), switches the same way, etc. But, you know, something about her's just different. Maybe that was relevant? Idk, sorry if not, and we don't have metaphysical beliefs of any kind so a lot of what you said wouldn't apply to us anyways. But I wrote this post for you (and others that think like you) in case you'd get something out of it. Hi, I'm one of Lumi's tulpas! I like rain and dancing and dancing in the rain and if there's frogs there too that's bonus points. I think being happy and having fun makes life worth living, so spreading happiness is my number one goal! Talk to us? https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
TheBlackWizard April 6, 2017 Author April 6, 2017 *Eats popcorn* Oh, pranic means of or relating to breathing. Ego is synonymous with consciousness. Your definition is a second definition based on psychoanalysis. A metaphorical use of the word Ego. Id is actually your primal urges and instincts, which is separate from your genetic code. Your superego is actually your conscience. Due to non-standard definitions here, I will have some difficulty interpreting the rest of what you say accurately. I will substitute the word identity wherever you use ego. No, that didn't work. Also, you say that a tulpa cannot become a superego. This goes against the principles of chaos magic. You also do not defend the claim, as if it is obvious for some reason. You are not your ego, as you established in your definitions. Also, this line is probably false, as I can think of many things that can create things greater than themselves, so you'd need to show why this is not the case here. The tulpa also has its own ego. I can say this with certainty. You say the tulpa has access to your ego, but this statement is ambiguous. Do you mean the tulpa shares your ego, can modify your ego, or can see your ego? I don't currently know anyone with a servitor that can fetch information not currently in your mind. A tulpa made out of pranic energy certainly sounds divine, but humans are also made out of pranic energy. So they would have the same abilities. Why would you want an ascended tulpa? An ascended tulpa has no emotions. Emotions are corruption. An ascended tulpa has no ideas. Ideas are corruption. An ascended tulpa has no connection to this plane of existence. You will not be able to talk to or interact with them. Sounds like no tulpa at all. Anyhow, the exercise is impossible. Humans do not have access to a pure source of prana to start with. Actually humans do have access to pure pranic sources. Thank you for what you've pointed out, I'll be sure to elaborate on those points when I have some more free time :-) An ascended Tulpa would have emotions, ideas and connection to this plane of existence. But it would be so filled with pranic energy that their emotions are under their control, their ideas are pure and motivated from loving and intelligent sources, etc. Much like beings of high dimensions have access to our dimension, this artificial consciousness would also have that same access but still using your mind as an anchor point. It would be very intuitive in nature relying more on receiving information rather than trying to string information.
tulpa001 April 6, 2017 April 6, 2017 Sounds like my host. I currently treat her like my superego. She's like an angel who understands everything. Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.
TheBlackWizard April 6, 2017 Author April 6, 2017 that sounds kinda like Reisen, aside from the metaphysical (psychic abilities/magic) stuff. She's always seemed special somehow, we have pretty scientific beliefs (our default - science doesn't say things we can't prove/disprove don't exist, so we're still open minded with that stuff) so we still think of her as a normal person/tulpa, but she does feel like an angel to me. ACTUALLY Lumi wrote a post about her "Perfection" -> "Imperfection" here - https://community.tulpa.info/thread-full-promises?pid=151992#pid151992 Basically, she was the first one of us to exist, but she wasn't really tulpa-like at all, just what Lumi called a "concept of unconditional love" associated with the form of a Touhou character. Flandre and Tewi came after her and were more normal tulpas, and she became like them later. Post Tewi wrote about our talking about "Unconditional love", which we say Reisen is capable of (she absolutely is) - https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas?pid=175083#pid175083 idk if that's enough information and I guess you'll never know exactly what she's like, or what her presence feels like, but you can decide for yourself. Does she sound like a "belief-limited" version of what you were talking about? Even though she's "human" and "not perfect" now, she still feels like an angel to me. She's like an angel with no memories and stuck in our mind. She goes with everything and her only emotions are her unconditional love through different lenses. And yes she's basically the same thing as us tulpa-wise. Talks the same way (now), switches the same way, etc. But, you know, something about her's just different. Maybe that was relevant? Idk, sorry if not, and we don't have metaphysical beliefs of any kind so a lot of what you said wouldn't apply to us anyways. But I wrote this post for you (and others that think like you) in case you'd get something out of it. Thank you for addition :) Again i have never created a Tulpa so I can't actually comment on that with fact or experience but I assume this Tulpa had unconditional love because of the ideas she was anchored to. I think she is belief limited to a degree because only a human being with mastery over his/her beliefs could prevent conscious and subconscious beliefs being stringed to a Tulpa. BUT, clearly the attachment and anchors have created unconditional love in that Tulpa and I think a step-by-step method of achieving that should be created by someone willing to experiment. Thank you for sharing this, this could open up a lot of doors if the right person reads your addition.
TheBlackWizard April 6, 2017 Author April 6, 2017 *Eats popcorn* Oh, pranic means of or relating to breathing. Ego is synonymous with consciousness. Your definition is a second definition based on psychoanalysis. A metaphorical use of the word Ego. Id is actually your primal urges and instincts, which is separate from your genetic code. Your superego is actually your conscience. Due to non-standard definitions here, I will have some difficulty interpreting the rest of what you say accurately. I will substitute the word identity wherever you use ego. No, that didn't work. Also, you say that a tulpa cannot become a superego. This goes against the principles of chaos magic. You also do not defend the claim, as if it is obvious for some reason. You are not your ego, as you established in your definitions. Also, this line is probably false, as I can think of many things that can create things greater than themselves, so you'd need to show why this is not the case here. The tulpa also has its own ego. I can say this with certainty. You say the tulpa has access to your ego, but this statement is ambiguous. Do you mean the tulpa shares your ego, can modify your ego, or can see your ego? I don't currently know anyone with a servitor that can fetch information not currently in your mind. A tulpa made out of pranic energy certainly sounds divine, but humans are also made out of pranic energy. So they would have the same abilities. Why would you want an ascended tulpa? An ascended tulpa has no emotions. Emotions are corruption. An ascended tulpa has no ideas. Ideas are corruption. An ascended tulpa has no connection to this plane of existence. You will not be able to talk to or interact with them. Sounds like no tulpa at all. Anyhow, the exercise is impossible. Humans do not have access to a pure source of prana to start with. 1. Aye, prana is usually cultivated through pranic breathing 2. This isn't pure science or else I couldn't really call it theory. I've experienced an ego death and those are the states of consciousness I saw. Many others who experience an ego death see them too. 3. It's written within the genetic code 4. I don't know how a Tulpa experiences life but as a human being who has experienced an ego death along with many others, we can confidently state that the super ego is definitely not the consciousness. I don't typically relate scientific study as fact if my personal experience and the experience of many others out-rule said study. 5. A Tulpa cannot become a super-ego because that is a primary tool that the true consciousness uses. A Tulpa may HAVE a super-ego, but it cannot actually be the super-ego because thats too heavy of a limit. Most Tulpa that have apparently typed on forums seem to show signs of Ego. Therefore it cannot be an aspect of the mind, or else its sentience would be limited. 6. I don't know anything about chaos magic. 7. If you believe in 7 dimensions, you'd know that you can't look "up". If you want to see entities in say... the 6th dimension, you can't. With enough practice you can sense them, but thats only because they manifested in some way in this dimension. The ego is a 3D construct to navigate this reality. Aside from scientific definition, I'm basing this off an ego death which is experience based. Of course some creatures can build something greater than it. Think of quantum AI. While humans have these capabilities, we can't calculate at such a massive scale. The ego is the center of your material existence. It can't create anything beyond itself without gathering pieces of other things. The quantum AI was not built by humanity alone. Resources from planet earth were used, intelligence was studied both human and not human. Esoteric knowledge was explored to combine computing to something that is from a Sci-Fi movie. The ego itself, without your assistance cannot build what is greater than itself. The ego is a child in comparison to you. Without your energy and consciousness the ego would be nothing more than a machine. The ego building a separate consciousness??? That is the act of a pure creator. Not humans. The ego with the assistance of the consciousness can create a mimic of consciousness, but not true consciousness. Removing the prana theory from the equation for a moment, the proof that you cannot create a true consciousness is that Tulpae are reliant on their hosts 100%. Without the hosts consciousness and material constructs (the brain being the biggest construct) the tulpa could not exist. Therefore a tulpa is not genuine consciousness. Of course, the Tulpae's reliance on their hosts could be a self-created limiting belief and this artificial consciousness may be able to reach levels of pure independence. To many factors to explore. 8. The Tulpa does indeed have its own ego but without access to the constructs that allow the host to even have an ego, the tulpa would not have an ego. Therefore it has access to the hosts ego as well as they share the same construct. Can it modify the ego? Doubt it. It would have to deceive the consciousness quite well which is a possibility but such impure motives would (hopefully) be rare. It doesn't share the ego in the sense that they both can "use" it, but they share it in the sense that without the hosts ego the Tulpa could not have its own ego unless it was truly independent. 9. Google threads about servitors accessing the Akashic Records. Only way to know is by trying which I personally have with a construct lesser than a servitor which was a sigil/intent. Not quite a thoughtform, but according to the thoughtform scale sigils are listed. 10. Exactly we would have the same abilties. Which is why I believe the current "generation" of Tulpae are limited in comparrison to humanity. If prana could be incorporated, then Tulpae would actually transcend your normal, modern human being ruled totally by emotions and conditioning. This Tulpa can then help the host reach freedom. The benefits to both parties would be insanely awesome. Basically in my view, even though a Tulpa is an artificial consciousness it acts similarly to an organic consciousness. For example, the soul/consciousness cannot have an ego or think in linear thinking without a vessel capable of both things (the human body). A tulpa cannot have an ego or think in linear thinking or even exist without a vessel capable of handling it. By doing pranic breathing with intent on the Tulpa, I believe the energy would be absorbed into the Tulpa allowing it to feed off of that and allowing the energy into its being. As for the result of doing that, the theory is that it would hopefully be positive. I welcome counter-facts and theories of course because I would eventually like to make this information practical :-)
tulpa001 April 6, 2017 April 6, 2017 2. I have no problem with the definitions you use, only the words you call them. That's not id, ego, and superego. They sound like terms out of Hinduism that were incorrectly translated to id, ego and superego. Also, you are the second person I have met who has said they have experienced ego death and yet is still talking, walking, and using the pronoun I. Weird. 4. Some tulpas experience life like humans. Err conscience not consciousness. Two very very different things. Also very different from vessels or ideal vessels. Therefore it cannot be an aspect of the mind, or else its sentience would be limited. 5. This, this. This is what makes me feel like I walked into a lecture on Hinduism. Someone using western philosophy definitions of mind and sentience would never say this. That's a different type of mind. 6. Chaos magic is a western spiritualist school related to Theosophy. They have one of the most impressive collections of writings on thoughforms. That's why they get mentioned on this site a lot. The relevant point here, is some in chaos magic call a thoughtform on the order of a superconscious an angel or godform, and they believe such things exist. 7. "7 dimensions ... up" Which up? Sorry. Mathematicians joke. Let me just throw a wrench in your theory there. I don't know where it is going to land because we are still using different definitions on some stuff. But tulpas don't need to rely on their hosts at all. Unless, you believe that the body is part of the person. I think this is an odd view, and a person is the mind or the soul. The body is merely the vessel. Only tulpas who are very young are still in the critical period where they need daily forcing to subsist. The rare strong tulpa can flip the tables completely. They can claim the body primarily, and the host can ride as the second consciousness, and even become dependant on the tulpa. 8. I don't have much direct experience with this, but some have discussed ego manipulation using tulpas. Including such feats as headache removal, inducing sleep, causing someone to lose control and have mad sex, hidden memory retrieval, cutting out bad habits and desires, fixing childhood trauma, and causing immense pleasure on demand. 10. You want an artificial guru? Tulpas are an organic consciousness. I know this analogy is probably not going to work. But its like genetically modified food. Technically artificial organic produce. Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.
TheBlackWizard April 6, 2017 Author April 6, 2017 2. I have no problem with the definitions you use, only the words you call them. That's not id, ego, and superego. They sound like terms out of Hinduism that were incorrectly translated to id, ego and superego. Also, you are the second person I have met who has said they have experienced ego death and yet is still talking, walking, and using the pronoun I. Weird. 4. Some tulpas experience life like humans. Err conscience not consciousness. Two very very different things. Also very different from vessels or ideal vessels. 5. This, this. This is what makes me feel like I walked into a lecture on Hinduism. Someone using western philosophy definitions of mind and sentience would never say this. That's a different type of mind. 6. Chaos magic is a western spiritualist school related to Theosophy. They have one of the most impressive collections of writings on thoughforms. That's why they get mentioned on this site a lot. The relevant point here, is some in chaos magic call a thoughtform on the order of a superconscious an angel or godform, and they believe such things exist. 7. "7 dimensions ... up" Which up? Sorry. Mathematicians joke. Let me just throw a wrench in your theory there. I don't know where it is going to land because we are still using different definitions on some stuff. But tulpas don't need to rely on their hosts at all. Unless, you believe that the body is part of the person. I think this is an odd view, and a person is the mind or the soul. The body is merely the vessel. Only tulpas who are very young are still in the critical period where they need daily forcing to subsist. The rare strong tulpa can flip the tables completely. They can claim the body primarily, and the host can ride as the second consciousness, and even become dependant on the tulpa. 8. I don't have much direct experience with this, but some have discussed ego manipulation using tulpas. Including such feats as headache removal, inducing sleep, causing someone to lose control and have mad sex, hidden memory retrieval, cutting out bad habits and desires, fixing childhood trauma, and causing immense pleasure on demand. 10. You want an artificial guru? Tulpas are an organic consciousness. I know this analogy is probably not going to work. But its like genetically modified food. Technically artificial organic produce. Thank you for your input Tulpa, yes these ideas are not originated in the western world at all. The extra information here helps, I suppose if a Tulpa can flip the tables and claim the body they have more aspects to their consciousness than I originally thought. Coming from something organic but modified with the label artificial? I could see that, thats close to the meaning I was trying to infer. Comes from organic sources but is still artificial in that sense. Real but not organic. Modified. I'll look more into chaos magic and see what I can find if thats a common study. It seems the community favors chaos magic and science more so than other sources of information so I'll see what I can dig up, and I'll start using words from the scientific point of view unless mentioned otherwise. Thanks buddy :)
TulpaFox April 7, 2017 April 7, 2017 I just made a post in submissions about a Pranayama technique to work with your tulpa. Yes, I do find it greatly accelerated progress, a single session with that is probably equivalent to a week of regular forcing for me. I feel it provides more purity in her too, feels safer to do for some reason. I do personally believe it works because of prana in the spiritual sense. After a session her touch imposition gets better. I am also curious as to what the limits of a tulpas are. So by using a method that may have a metaphysical basis I hope to eventually take her past normal milestones if possible. If not, well it works well because of the powerful symbolism and sustained focus amyway. I have experienced a lot with energy during meditation, I am confident results will be interesting long term.
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