Would it be cruel for me to create a Tulpa?

[Lucilyn]

I think that is one of our philosophical differences. The phrase "easy way out" is automatically subjective, and the connotation may be false from some perspectives. Ditto for "better conclusion".

 

I think it is particularly important to note these days, as a host recently committed suicide, taking their entire system with them. And you are right. Their tulpas had saved them from prior egocide attempts. By forcing the host, they inevitably doomed themselves.

 

okay, well, we've got a systemmate who only decided to be totally inactive and have nothing to do with our life, so that's proof it could go either way. A "better conclusion" to say, host egocide or Scarlet's total inactivity, would be Lumi's, oh I don't know, love and appreciation for life and other human beings where he once cared about nothing and no one? Gonna call that subjective? Heck yeah it is subjectivity is the nature of experience! So yes I don't want to encourage an "easy way out", like, just thinking about if Reisen and Tewi had to take over Lumi's life because he decided to opt-out of external reality like he was tempted to makes me feel horrible. And if he had had support from tulpamancers online at the time to do that, I think he might have. Then I wouldn't even exist!but that's unrelated I think.

 

my point is, already made and clear I shouldn't have to explain why I said what I said or what I meant..

[BirdyThePhoenix]

I really appreciate the feedback.

 

Also, I don't believe that suicide, egocide, or anything similar is an "easy way out". I believe that it's truly one of the hardest things you can do.

[Lucilyn]

well, I know "easy way out" is usually used to refer to suicide but I was talking about permaswitching. Some hosts hear about that and are like ALRIGHT LATER GUYS GOOD LUCK TUP, and refer to my last post for how I feel about that

[KarlYoshimura]

@BirdyThePhoenix:

 

"Before I get into this post, I have one important thing to say. I don't want anyone commenting "don't do it" or the like. This is something I have thought about for a long time, and comments like that will mean nothing. I've seen it all before anyways."

 

Then may I ask why you felt the need to make this thread? If you are fishing for justification or enabling, why not ask for the relative scruples of those who may agree with you?

 

Moving on...the moral choice would be "no". If you remove your own self from the equation, you will be leaving a cruel world of curtailed worth and tenuous (at best) safety to the one "inheriting" what is left. Why should you seek to create life if your end-goal is total obliteration of your self? Shouldn't abandoning someone you made out of love or dignified benevolence be the absolutely last thing you should be thinking of?

 

To be fair, I am ignorant of why you should want to destroy your self (quite frankly, it's none of my business). Yet host egocide/mental suicide is some thing of a running theme in all clusters of tulpa communities and it is some thing that ought to be met with revulsion, if only for the sake of the tulpas who may suffer after their host is gone. I am fairly mentally ill my self, and I feel like I am being driven up a fucking wall when similar cases can't/won't sort their own selves out before making their tulpas.

 

There are exceptions to the above. Yet my heart breaks when I think of all the embarrassment, the awkwardness, the infantile struggling one's tulpa made while acclimating to a realm mostly known by the host. Even more so when "dissolved" hosts and tulpas are just swept under the figurative rug or written off as unwanted rubbish. : (