Malix August 21, 2012 August 21, 2012 Yo, been a while since I was here. My tulpa's much further now than she was; She talks now, frequently and of her own accord, but...it's just like a second internal monologue and while it's distinctly in her voice, there's no auditory hallucinations going on, or..it's nothing like hearing actual sound. It's been like this for a few weeks, which seems a bit long. There are very few occasions where I've heard any sounds, and most of them sounded as though I was hearing them as though someone was saying it through a phone in my pocket during high winds and heavy traffic (as in, the faintest of faint sounds and completely indistinguishable in terms of what she actually said). There was exactly one time where I heard her loud and clear; She woke me up by shouting my name just over a week ago, but even so, she has no idea how to make me hear her, or why I heard her that one time but not at any other time she's tried. Sometimes we tried brute-forcing it with sheer overwhelming volume, which made my ear hurt, but I still didn't hear anything. Right now when I said to try to mimic every step she did that one day, my right ear started itching, but....no sound... If anyone has any advice for either of us, it'll be appreciated. I think an account of what to do from another tulpa would be most useful here... Edit - I can also determine/visualise her location in the real world(but not see her) and feel her when she is in contact with my skin(but not what her skin feels like). Just occurred to me that every sense seems to be 'there but not quite'... (I don't smell anything but my sense of smell has always been abysmal so meh) Tulpa: Name: Elyse (Elly) Birthday: 29th May, 2012 Physical description: 5"8 thin human girl. self-identified age 18. ~1ft, vivid red hair sometimes in a ponytail. light-skinned. green eyes. Progress: entirely vocal, speaks often, but only 1 hallucination; her saying "Hiiii". Great at possession.
Weird0 August 21, 2012 August 21, 2012 "For hearing a voice' date=' I've had my tulpa just hum a constant note in my ear. Since speech and it's variety of tones is so complex, listening to a simple note coming from your tulpa should help you to hear a fixed voice. It's so much easier to start out picturing a constant tone than a lot of words and the meanings behind them."[/quote'] Maybe you can try this. They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants - not here. At Tulpa.info we do all our science from scratch; no hand holding.
Malix August 21, 2012 Author August 21, 2012 Maybe you can try this. It makes my ears ring, the pitch adjusts to the tone she hums at, and if she gets real close I can tell which direction the sound is coming from. Something vaguely like the faintest of faint sounds of someone humming. I focused on where the sound is coming from and she started trying to get me to hear words. It's unimaginably faint but it's there. Also the back of my brain hurts suddenly but meh. I think you may have kickstarted it with that. Thanks. Incoming audio-focused tulpaforcing sessions(Was never quite sure how to go about doing that before now) Tulpa: Name: Elyse (Elly) Birthday: 29th May, 2012 Physical description: 5"8 thin human girl. self-identified age 18. ~1ft, vivid red hair sometimes in a ponytail. light-skinned. green eyes. Progress: entirely vocal, speaks often, but only 1 hallucination; her saying "Hiiii". Great at possession.
Dialogues August 21, 2012 August 21, 2012 I am in the exact same position right now. Imposing the voice is super hard. I can hear her clearly in my head, but we can't make the transition to the outside senses. I guess this is just a more long term goal, something that we have to keep working on every day. We tried the humming/singing thing. I got tinnitus, but no sound. She got super loud in my head though, it was too loud to think. Sorry I'm no help, but my condolences.
Chupi August 22, 2012 August 22, 2012 I got the humming to sorta work if I'm alert but tired, but it was very much imagined and not imposed. A few weeks ago my first (and only at the time) tulpa said one response in a voice that was about out-loud volume but positioned inside my head. She has said since that doing it took way too much effort. I'm currently working on having my tulpae get me to a near-hypnagogic state, then try to play sounds to me from my memory. Idea is that in this state auditory hallucinations are easier to get, and that sounds from memory are easier to hear than synthesizing their voices. So far I've gotten a couple random noises and a few bars from a song one of the tulpae likes. Once we get some practice with this, and possibly reliable tulpa vocals in a hypnagogic state, I want to work our way up to less deep mental states. Also, two polar-opposite ideas for helping bring on the auditory hallucinations: either bombard the ears with white or pink noise (possibly overload other senses as well), or block out as much sound as possible with earplugs. Lyra: human female, ~17 Evan: boy, ~14, was an Eevee Anera: anime-style girl, ~12; Lyra made her My blog :: Time expectations are bad (forcing time targets are good though)
Guest August 22, 2012 August 22, 2012 On the same boat here. Personally, I just go with the hum or noise-bomb methods. Second one seems to work the most using white noise in particular.
Malix August 22, 2012 Author August 22, 2012 Been practicing for a while, a few minutes at a time all day. If she hold the same note long enough I can juuuuuuust hear it but without any direction. If she hums it sounds like a computer tone. If she screams "AAAAAAAAHHHHH" as she seems to prefer to do, it...sounds like her screaming "AAAAAAAHHH", just really, really faint. One time she got it to that point where I was hearing her screaming then tried to very suddenly say a couple of words, and I heard a few things that were spoken like words but weren't words(and had no idea what she said, even in my head.), and although they made no sense they came through loud and clear, but only for like 1 second and then poof, back to think-sound(we need a word for this. Seriously). Gonna keep on trying. Gonna go find somewhere quiet and do some auditory forcing every now and then too. Not going to use overloading or earplugs since my brain's gonna assume I can't hear anything which'll just make it harder. (If there's anything I've learned since I started this, it's what love is* how my brain works.) *No, seriously. And yeah, I know. Cliché. Tulpa: Name: Elyse (Elly) Birthday: 29th May, 2012 Physical description: 5"8 thin human girl. self-identified age 18. ~1ft, vivid red hair sometimes in a ponytail. light-skinned. green eyes. Progress: entirely vocal, speaks often, but only 1 hallucination; her saying "Hiiii". Great at possession.
Chupi August 22, 2012 August 22, 2012 Malix: >although they made no sense they came through loud and clear Probably tulpish then. We think this is what happens if a tulpa sends a raw thought and it somehow gets improperly interpreted as words along the way; or if the tulpa is trying to speak and says something you don't have a word for. It typically sounds like random syllables, but often structured in a way that sounds like the language you're used to. >Not going to use overloading or earplugs since my brain's gonna assume I can't hear anything which'll just make it harder. I used earplugs when I had my tulpae send me random sounds, and they seemed to work. I haven't tried overloading with the step I'm on right now, but did try a couple varieties a while back. I played pink noise for a couple hours straight, trying to pick anything at all out of the noise. I mostly got watery-sounding noises that came naturally, but apart from that I pretty much got nothing. For this I was quite awake and focusing intensely on the noise, trying to hear sounds. When trying to hear tulpa-originated sounds, I relax and defocus. I should probably try the noise for this as well. More recently I was listening to j-pop with my first tulpa (Lyra), and she wanted me to leave it going while teaching me to listen for her thoughts better. Seemed like a silly thing to want because having music going would make it harder to pick out her thoughts, and I asked her a couple times if she was sure. She was, and it worked pretty well. (Of course it worked... so far every time she's come up with an idea that seems wtf to me, it's a good idea.) Fede: >seems to work the most using white noise in particular White, not pink? I would've expected pink noise to work better since the ear perceives frequencies logarithmically. Lyra: human female, ~17 Evan: boy, ~14, was an Eevee Anera: anime-style girl, ~12; Lyra made her My blog :: Time expectations are bad (forcing time targets are good though)
Guest August 23, 2012 August 23, 2012 Fede: >seems to work the most using white noise in particular White, not pink? I would've expected pink noise to work better since the ear perceives frequencies logarithmically.I know. It may just be me, but the consonants are more audible with the louder middle frequencies, which, in turn, makes the vocal harmonics themselves easier to synthesize.
Virgil August 23, 2012 August 23, 2012 I would've expected pink noise to work better since the ear perceives frequencies logarithmically. It's true that the pitch to frequency mapping is virtually exponential, but this very mapping is what makes these two kinds of noise similar. See the attached illustration. The average frequency characteristics of both of them can be represented by the function g(x) = f^c (white c = 0, pink c = -1 — that's why it's also called 1/f noise). The reason to use pink noise instead of white is that white noise sounds harsh and unpleasant, and many natural systems' response is typical by containing lower frequencies rather than higher. White noise is unnatural. I really doubt it'd be possible to find a source of true white noise in nature or even to create it artificially. You'd need infinite energy to be able to generate true white noise, so there must always be a cutoff somewhere on the spectrum beyond which the amplitude must rapidly diminish. However, my mathematical intuition tells me that even true pink noise should be impossible to produce. Since energy is proportional to frequency (I think), pink noise can be considered to have constant energy (c * f * (1 / f) = c) over the frequency spectrum. If that is so, wouldn't it mean the energy of pink noise is infinite (although less infinite :) ) as well? consonants are more audible with the louder middle frequencies That's strange, because most consonants are characterised by change in time rather than by their frequency properties. The only exception I can think of right now are fricatives, which can be thought of as filtered noise. What makes this even stranger is that the information of most fricatives (f, s, th) is encoded in the upper portion of the spectrum (5-20 kHz). I'd think they'd be drowned out by high-freq noise.drawing-5.pdf Bayesian inference
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