Image stremaing, hypnosis and ocd, a specific problem

[dsafadsfasd]

Heads up: this is about what is in the title and not (Directly) about tulpas.
Hello, I hope this is the right place to get answers for my questions.
This is going to be long but it has a purpose and frankly it's my best chance of solving my problem.
This might sound silly to you but this is a major problem to me and a solution will be very appreciated.
why here? I believe this problem is closely related to Image streaming, or at least, can be solved in the context of Image streaming, this is the only forum in which I saw Image streaming and Hypnosis being discussed (and I searched a lot)
I believe it will help to know all 3 subjects in the title

1. Image Streaming: 
 I've read "The Einstein Factor" several years ago, it is the book that presented "Image Streaming" to the world for first time (afaik). 

***(I have to ask this, though i read that book a thousand times, and I think i asked Win Wenger himself (but i dont remember his response) what is the definition for the "natural" flow of images? what's the name of the phenomenon? forget the book, this creative flow of images happens regularly before sleep every day but i couldnt find the name for it.)***

2. Background:
I've used Image Streaming on and off since then. Now you probably know that if you use it for x amount of time (2 days for me), your thinking patterns tend to shift into Visual thinking, and spontaneous visual thinking (natural, spontaneous visual thoughts and lightweight visions that guide you even through small things, appears without effort), this shift does not revert easily as I only needed to image stream for about an hour every month to sustain this.

3. Event of the problem:
I struggled with OCD and intrusive thoughts throughtout my entire life BUT it didnt have an impact on my imaginative flow up untill a few months ago.....a few months ago, was a stressful time, final exams in the university, and taking methylphenidate harms my visualization powers and DESTROYES my creative flow for the duration of usage (fades out after a few days).
In one of the days, I finished an exam with not much succses and went home. while still being under the influence of methylphenidate (sit tight for this is going to be stupid) I encountered a Moving image, gif (in one of the Imageboard sites) with a (hang on) lewd attractive girl and a text written on it that was "you are getting dumber" or somthing about "losing iq", my first reaction was contempt for whatever this was while dismissing it and moving forward (dont remember the reaction well) before that day i have read a few books about Hypnosis, and heres where it all comes together to create the problem.

4. Hypnosis: 
4.1.
From what I have read about Hypnosis, it isnt enough for a subject to just (not -"want to accept the suggestion") but a will to deny it must be present for the suggestion to be rejected.

4.2.
Theres also an implication (from popular culture AND from actual literature) that a distracted mind is like a hypnotized mind, that things that you see, sense but not pay attention to, are inserted as if they were said to an hypnotized subject (confusion based induction, popular culture).
+Event: this is relevant because of the content of the "Event Image" ("distracting")
4.3.
Also I think I didnt fully understand what is the basis for a suggestion to be rejected/accepted, according to some books, hypnosis cancels the logical thinking and the only factor for accepting/denying is whether you want to accept or deny the said suggestion, and that's just terrifiying because will of one is sujbective even to that same person. +Event (maybe I did want it to work given that exam fail?, how do i know i wanted to deny or want to deny this suggestion)
4.4.
A will to believe, an even more subjective concept, is also a factor for accepting/denying a suggestion acording to some books.

4.5.
A belief that a suggestion did work will create a scenario where it will have impact. +Event: after searching i understood this is an entire niche of things, so maybe I cant dismiss the possibility that it did work

5. OCD:
My usual handling with OCD attacks is basically me saying that i have nothing to worry about/ that worrying about somthing wont change it, or facing it logically and then dismissing its importance, usually works. I have learned to kick OCD thoughts out of my head with simply saying "fuck it".
Lets talk about "OCD power/thought creates reality" thing: before that event, it was not new to me that the fear i was facing had actual impact on my body, if i feared i had a stomach disease then i would "feel" like my stomach hurts, and other examples like headache only after thinking about the subject of fear which was having a head problem"
5.1. OCD with Hypnosis Interaction:
Few weeks after the "event", i suddenly recalled the said image, and the flying monkies of OCD did their thing ("what if it affected me and i just dont know, what if it is a hidden hypnotic suggestion that is supposed to be hard to track, what if i wanted to believe this was true, or i wanted to be dumber because of that test, what if i'm dumber now and i just cant know because its hard to measure") you get the point.
A major contributor to the panic is the inability to know if I was affected, or am affected because of the difficulty in "checking" it (iq test?).
5.2. OCD with the Problem:
All of that being said, I am not saying this is the cause or leading to anything, but I guess you know what I am about to say, after having the thought of that "Event Image"(seeing the gif in my mind), i felt right away that "somthing" happens in my brain, like things are moving, like theres a cold breeze and then having a bit of trouble thinking, after a few weeks this has passed and was replaced by just unease in the forehead, loss of concentration and brain fog.

THE BIG SALAD: 
Result: no more natural image flow before sleep or daydreaming, anything with a bit of conscious thought prompts the "when is it going to rise?" which leads to the image rising right away, which leads to a loop of "no its not working on me" to counter the hypnotic principle described above which leads to 1 minute of brain fog.
Obviously Image Streaming fails after 2 seconds, process above is done in the first second, and then no matter how hard I try I cant create a flow of images, even if I dont think about the event image for a few minutes, the flow engine wont start. 
failed attempts to fight: 
a. Cant face the problem logically because of hypnosis' subjective meanings, (how do I know I didnt want/I dont want it to work, it can still work)
saying to myself "i dont want it to work, so it wont work upon seeing it" is not strong enough for me to believe and proceed to b. below 
b. Cant dismiss the "Event Image" thoughts because of Hypnosis principles (ignoring it while seeing it, minimizing it, not giving it attention and not confronting it with "no its not right" is like allowing it to be an hypnotic suggestion, allowing it to bypass logical thoughts which leads to a.)
this is a very strong argument and works with EACH of the principles in the hypnosis section. 
c. Cant Image Stream, at all, cant daydream, every time the image arises it leads to 5.2 AND a thought that every time it rises i get dumber for good
d. can visualize, cant have the autofill function around the object 
i just want my images back 

[Ranger]

I'm sorry for the belated reply. I got caught up in moderating another user.
 

On 11/26/2020 at 1:57 PM, dsafadsfasd said:

1. Image Streaming: 
 I've read "The Einstein Factor" several years ago, it is the book that presented "Image Streaming" to the world for first time (afaik). 

***(I have to ask this, though i read that book a thousand times, and I think i asked Win Wenger himself (but i dont remember his response) what is the definition for the "natural" flow of images? what's the name of the phenomenon? forget the book, this creative flow of images happens regularly before sleep every day but i couldnt find the name for it.)***

@Linkzelda Talked about Win Wenger a lot. If they ever leave their image streaming universe, they should talk to you.
 

On 11/26/2020 at 1:57 PM, dsafadsfasd said:

All of that being said, I am not saying this is the cause or leading to anything, but I guess you know what I am about to say, after having the thought of that "Event Image"(seeing the gif in my mind), i felt right away that "somthing" happens in my brain, like things are moving, like theres a cold breeze and then having a bit of trouble thinking, after a few weeks this has passed and was replaced by just unease in the forehead, loss of concentration and brain fog.

 

On 11/26/2020 at 1:57 PM, dsafadsfasd said:

i just want my images back 

I wonder if you got cursed by a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you were scared you were getting dumber, you stopped practicing as much and then you got rusty. That made you think you were getting dumber, so you got more scared, and then you became more rusty, and so on.

It's also possible the drug you were taking was causing brain fog and your visualization to tank, the intrusive thought being the strand that broke the camel's back.

From personal experience with anxiety and depression, depression can cause your visualization to tank and for brain fog to develop. In our system, we noticed a decline in communication and visualization ability when trying to talk to our headmates when we were struggling last summer.

I'm not sure if there's a hypnosis component or not, to me it sounds more like an anxiety and/or depression response. Just in case, I'll ping @Breloomancer. I'm not sure if Verple has a forum account (Their system account is JungleParty, I have spoken to Jerln before. I don't know that system too well though.)
 

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I would assume the best solution is to avoid taking that drug if you don't need it and spend some time building your visualization skills until you get back to your normal levels. I know visualization can be very sensitive to under use and have heard people losing their abilities without rigorous practice.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Ranger

[Breloomancer]

yeah, this is pretty clearly a result of OCD and doesn't really have anything to do with hypnosis

[dsafadsfasd]

11 hours ago, Ranger said:

I'm sorry for the belated reply. I got caught up in moderating another user.
 

@Linkzelda Talked about Win Wenger a lot. If they ever leave their image streaming universe, they should talk to you.
 

 

I wonder if you got cursed by a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you were scared you were getting dumber, you stopped practicing as much and then you got rusty. That made you think you were getting dumber, so you got more scared, and then you became more rusty, and so on.

It's also possible the drug you were taking was causing brain fog and your visualization to tank, the intrusive thought being the strand that broke the camel's back.

From personal experience with anxiety and depression, depression can cause your visualization to tank and for brain fog to develop. In our system, we noticed a decline in communication and visualization ability when trying to talk to our headmates when we were struggling last summer.

I'm not sure if there's a hypnosis component or not, to me it sounds more like an anxiety and/or depression response. Just in case, I'll ping @Breloomancer. I'm not sure if Verple has a forum account (Their system account is JungleParty, I have spoken to Jerln before. I don't know that system too well though.)
 

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I would assume the best solution is to avoid taking that drug if you don't need it and spend some time building your visualization skills until you get back to your normal levels. I know visualization can be very sensitive to under use and have heard people losing their abilities without rigorous practice.

It all boils down to the hypnosis part, if i will know that i am completely safe to handle this my regular way (ignoring the intrusive thoughts) this problem will be solved in about 2 days, but due to the nature of that specific image, what its supposed to be, how little i know about hypnosis, how badly these thoughts affected my image streaming, I have to actually believe that there was nothing about hypnosis here, all smoke and mirrors, no brainwash and that no combination of the above with ocd will have impact either

 

a simple "lol thats not how hypnosis works dumbass just ignore it, even if you think you accept it its all bullshit" from a hypnotherapist will do the trick, the belief part, like you said, is a major factor, but i cant tell if the prophecy is false when i dont know how the words work

2 hours ago, Breloomancer said:

yeah, this is pretty clearly a result of OCD and doesn't really have anything to do with hypnosis

Thanks for the response

In the first post I say that I can, with ease, ignore those intrusive thoughts and rid myself out of this.

The only problem is making "more" damage than "before" while doing that - I am not that familiar with hypnosis so I have to make sure that in the few times in which i will ignore the intrusive image and not pay attention to it (part 3,4) i will not harm myself due to the specific nature of that image, which i assume that it's supposed to "hypnotic" 

seeing an hypnotic image with your mind's eye while not giving it attention, treating it in whatever way, even thinking that you're accepting it through the many hell loops of OCD thinking, cant lead to that image's suggestion being accepted?

I have read that this "genre" of "media" eroticsm and hypnosis had some impact on people, what was it then? placebo? (besides this image i did not listen or watch anything close to it, i never searched for anything like this)

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