Tulpa producing Adrenalin, Serotonin and Hormones

[Guest applesauce99]

Not sure exactly how much of that is her and how much is placebo effect

 

technically isnt it all placebo...

 

inb4 "not tonight tupper, i'm tired" -boosts hormone level to beyond that of puberty- "LETS DO IT"

[Guest Albatross_]

It's not possible because of stuff in the brain and stuff.

 

Yep.

Imagine, though, a serotonin-emitting tulpa....

Either infinite pleasure or mind control.

[motorheadlk]

The word you're looking for is skeptics. The argument about Descartes is petty, as it goes both ways. One can be skeptical by not believing science and ignoring evidence that doesn't fit in with their beliefs. One can also be skeptical by not believing in metaphysical pseudoscientific bullshit through the use of science, and refusing to believe any claims without evidence. While the latter may be the proper use of the word, both are technically correct.

It's not an argument, it's just funny because he would hate to be called a skeptical. But yeah, that's what skepticism is about.

 

A tulpa is not a "hallucination". A tulpa is a a thoughtform, which can exist entirely in one's mind.

In essence, they're defined by their mind, not their hallucinated body. And most stimulus is caused by physical input, and would be impossible for a tulpa to affect. This applies to certain portions of the imposition process like "hallucinatory sound". Actual sound is only perceived through the vibrations of soundwaves. Hallucinatory sound is just your mind perceiving mental speech as being spoken out loud. Light touch and (most) sexual pleasure are dictated by mechanoceptors called tactile corpuscles. They are only stimulated through actual pressure, and it would be impossible to trick your mind into activating them. You are basing this all on the radical assumption that a tulpa has full control of your body, and is able to control such things at will because it's part of your subconscious. Many of these processes aren't dictated by your subconscious mind and run independent of it. Even if a tulpa was able to have full control of your subconscious, it wouldn't be able to, say, stop your heart from beating for example.

 

Once she's imposed, she is a hallucination, and despite all of what you say, your brain reacts the same way to both fake and real stimulus, if you think you're gonna be hit, you might clinch and scream, and if you're going to step on a nail and you believe there' not time to dodge, your brain will feel the pain even if you don't touch the nail. No sensory input must be stimulated for you to feel pain, since almost all pain is processed by the brain, as long as it thinks it's receiving pain, the he will make you notice it.

 

This just goes back to my first point that it's all anecdotal. There are forums with hundreds of people who claim the world is flat, and they all have very similar personal stories and experiences of it being so. There are forums for people who believe pokemon are real and hidden by the government, and they all have identical stories of seeing them. It's ridiculously easy for people to base lies off of the information of one initial lie, and it's done quite often. Just because a small group of strangers on the internet have similar experiences doesn't prove a single thing other than your own gullibility. And the reason I didn't quote what you said on exterior stimulus is because I typed it up before you made the edit. It's good to see you can jump to conclusions, though.

I already covered physical stimulus above. As a completely serious question, did you study neuroscience or organic chemistry at all? It doesn't really seem like you quite understand how everything works. I don't mean this as an insult.

 

I didn't, and didn't feel insulted. While you might say that, this can also be aplied to everything we know about tulpa. Maybe we're just imagining sentience and we're parroting it. Maybe we think we're being surprised but it's just a pastiche of things you think she might, and so on. Believing on any of my suppositions is as easy as not, but such is the same with tulpa. You say that tulpas are something that can be related to stuff that already occur in the world, you probably meant personality disorders, schizophrenia and imaginary friends. Even so, what I supposed about tulpas being able to fool your brain into producing something also happens in the world, the nail example and the nightmare example are real and prove that our brain can be fooled by thoughts. Another example would be when you're laying down and imagine yourself walking and then imagine yourself walking down the stairs, that doesn't happen to everyone, but me for instance always end up jumping from the bed because I think that somehow I'm going to fall since my brain thinks I'm getting down the stairs without moving. Of course I can't always do this on purpose, but it happens all the time when I don't see it coming, and sometimes when I see it. This is a personal experience, if you never had the same then I would ask you to ignore it, but don't ignore the nail and nightmare ones, they're pretty common.

 

Anyway, all that goes to say that your brain CAN be fooled into producing adrenalin, and if a tulpa gets the handle of it, she might even be able to fool your brain into thinking you're exercising, releasing dopamin and serotonin.

 

That is one clustfuck of a butchered sentence. Rephrase it, please. Also you don't think it be like it is, but it do.

You're arguing a point of false stimulus. Adrenaline can be released from the most mundane activities. It'll release when your chair tips back too far, when there's a loud noise, strange sensation, etc. etc. It's basic human instinct and has nothing to do with being randomly released by tulpae.

 

Here we go again, our tulpa can communicate via thougts and is by itself a hallucination, there is nothing to say that's impossible for her to fool the brain into thinking something fake is real, making the brain think it is in a life-threatening situation when it's not, thus releasing adrenaling through the body.

 

But this all goes back to the fact that your only evidence for it being possible in the first place is a few stories from strangers on the internet. The fact that I've bothered responding at all to someone who accepts that as substantial evidence is alarming to me. And concluding a test based on a few people telling you it works is essentially spitting in the face of the scientific method. All evidence must be substantial and emperical. No exceptions.

Then tulpas aren't real. I mean, both tulpas being able to perform what I proposed and existing at all are to me "a few stories from strangers on the internet". And even if you have a tulpa, before that you should at least believe it's possible to have a tulpa, and the way to find out if it were real is, well, TEST IT. And you can say "Yeah, but I believed in tulpas and what you say doesn't make sense". If tulpas make sense because of imaginary friends and personality disorders, then obviously given that your tulpa can communicate via thoughts, she can also send thoughts that are read by the brain as something "dangerous" in which he reacts by releasing adrenalin, which would happen because of what we know from nails and nightmares. They are, by these, equally possible, and will take the same thing to prove or disprove it, someone to test it.

 

Before you might claim some wild stuff, I do believe in the tulpa phenomenon, and also believe this is possible, what I don't KNOW is if tulpas and this phenomenon are possible. You might know the differences between an Agnostic Atheist, Gnostic Atheist, Agnostic Theist and Gnostic Theist, right? Well, in case you don't, gnosticism is about knowing and theism/atheism is about beliefs. It doesn't take anyone to know something is real to believe in it, that's why I believe in tulpas, but I still wait for mine to be up and talking at full sentience to be able to state that tulpas are absolutely real, and as a skeptical, it goes both ways, you should also see that given what I said, tulpas fooling the brain into producing X or Y is something that can happen. It might actually be something that the tulpas already knows and the host has never even asked about.

 

Oh, and in your opinion, the research session shouldn't even exist since it's here to ask for subjects and debate if things are possible?