Tulpa producing Adrenalin, Serotonin and Hormones

[Hush]

Well, Hex has been able to kill headaches and surpress anxiety to a certain degree.(with the anxiety, its hit or miss, but she's getting better with it)

She claims its a colaborative effort between us, but I'm not doing anything consciously to help besides opening myself up to it, so I don't know.

[motorheadlk]

R.I.P to whoever actually manages to recreate the process and then have no control over it and release stupid amounts of adrenaline into their body. ^_^

(There´s a reason why you can´t just do it on command, pushing your body beyond it´s limit and all, ya know?)

 

Every fucking time you drink coffee your body produces more adrenalin than it's supposed to. Seriously, what were you thinking while posting something like this?

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This.

 

I've heared about some monks who can suppress adrenalin rushes and release them later. After like, meditating all your life.

It's completely out of reach for any conscious, tulpa or human, to release hormones and such.

 

And even if we could, i doubt we would be able to control the amount of those.

A little too much adrenalin and you can enjoy your brain hemorrhage.

 

See above, seriously, you guys don't even know what science means, right?

[glitchthe3rd]

Luna seems able to manage my glucose consumption on some level, though her influence over my bodily processes seems to be largely limited to my brain. Btw, she regularly tinkers with my brain chemistry to improve its efficiency. Not sure exactly how much of that is her and how much is placebo effect, but it does seem to influence things.

[motorheadlk]

We already had a discussion on a subject matter very similar to this, and I already swatted down their dream as is accustom.

TL;DR: It's not possible because of stuff in the brain and stuff.

 

Yeah, yeah, but there's nothing about tulpas that can make the libido of the host go up or making them able to get more time awake by making them not sleepy. Being not sleepy is something that can't be consciously controlled, yet is possible for tulpa to make her host sleep less, as reported a few times here.

 

The way to try this is very simple, and unless people actually try this I won't be able to be sure it won't work, I don't even know how this much skeptical people got a tulpa, it's funny.

 

1) Feel something.

2) Let tulpa analyse what you felt, and ask her to try to reproduce the feeling like it started again.

3)??????

4)PROFIT!

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Well, Hex has been able to kill headaches and surpress anxiety to a certain degree.(with the anxiety, its hit or miss, but she's getting better with it)

She claims its a colaborative effort between us, but I'm not doing anything consciously to help besides opening myself up to it, so I don't know.

 

I don't quite know exactly what kills headaches naturally, but low levels of serotonin cause anxiety and depression.

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Luna seems able to manage my glucose consumption on some level, though her influence over my bodily processes seems to be largely limited to my brain. Btw, she regularly tinkers with my brain chemistry to improve its efficiency. Not sure exactly how much of that is her and how much is placebo effect, but it does seem to influence things.

 

That seems great! Could you pretty please be my rat lab coworker and ask your tulpa to try to reproduce the feeling when you were angry, nervous or scared and you had adrenalin rushing through your body?

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Yeah, yeah, but there's nothing about tulpas that can make the libido of the host go up or making them able to get more time awake by making them not sleepy. Being not sleepy is something that can't be consciously controlled, yet is possible for tulpa to make her host sleep less, as reported a few times here.

 

The way to try this is very simple, and unless people actually try this I won't be able to be sure it won't work, I don't even know how this much skeptical people got a tulpa, it's funny.

You really should be more open minded to those explaining why it's not possible instead of ignoring solid scientific evidence for a few anecdotes by strangers on the internet. Skepticism does not mean stubbornness. Skepticism is an open mindedness to new ideas, but also a disbelief of ideas that don't follow known science until proven otherwise. Skepticism is the basis for scientific progress, and without it, we'd still be living in the bronze age paying all of our money to the church and murdering anyone who dares progress humanity.

 

And being able to increase libido and "get more awake" are not nearly the same thing as the topic of this post. Anyone can increase libido by eating certain foods or thinking certain thoughts. Everything from simple meditation to a bit of cold water can make you more awake, and vice versa. Hell, even a basic placebo can do both of these things astoundingly well, which is most likely what happened to the people who believed their tulpa helped. These things have no grounds in willingly changing the production and release of neurochemicals and hormones.

 

Luna seems able to manage my glucose consumption on some level, though her influence over my bodily processes seems to be largely limited to my brain. Btw, she regularly tinkers with my brain chemistry to improve its efficiency. Not sure exactly how much of that is her and how much is placebo effect, but it does seem to influence things.

This is 10bullshit12me. There's so much wrong with this post that it's almost the holocaust. "she regular tinkers with my brain chemistry to improve efficiency"... I don't even

[motorheadlk]

You really should be more open minded to those explaining why it's not possible instead of ignoring solid scientific evidence for a few anecdotes by strangers on the internet. Skepticism does not mean stubbornness. Skepticism is an open mindedness to new ideas, but also a disbelief of ideas that don't follow known science until proven otherwise. Skepticism is the basis for scientific progress, and without it, we'd still be living in the bronze age paying all of our money to the church and murdering anyone who dares progress humanity.

 

Skepticism is the opposite of open mindedness, it's ignoring affirmations until you're satisfied with their validation. What I want is someone to test this, not someone to say why this couldn't be done, if there's reports that this can be done, then I want reports that this can't. I get your point, you want to say this is impossible based on what you know about ourselves, but what we know about tulpas is not qualified as scientific proven, yet we believe in them. Any claim about what tulpas can and can't do is still pseudoscience, and if your brain can handle something, then so should your tulpa given training.

 

And being able to increase libido and "get more awake" are not nearly the same thing as the topic of this post. Anyone can increase libido by eating certain foods or thinking certain thoughts. Everything from simple meditation to a bit of cold water can make you more awake, and vice versa. Hell, even a basic placebo can do both of these things astoundingly well, which is most likely what happened to the people who believed their tulpa helped. These things have no grounds in willingly changing the production and release of neurochemicals and hormones.

This is 10bullshit12me. There's so much wrong with this post that it's almost the holocaust. "she regular tinkers with my brain chemistry to improve efficiency"... I don't even

 

So what you can increase libido by eating X food? You can increase adrenalin by drinking coffee and you can increase X monoamin by ingesting X pill. That does not mean it's something you can make on your own without outside influences, and your tulpa being able to do it would be great. And about increasing libido by thinking certain thoughts, then how could you decrease libido even by seeing things that normally would make you horny? And what about being able to simply increasing libido without (at least consciously) receiving thoughts? That's what has been said to be possible.

 

Everything we think we know about tulpa is pseudoscience, we can only speculate, any claim that this can be done is as easily confirmed as saying it's not, it can't be proven given that this phenomenom is not studied scientifically yet. It's a dogmatic affirmation, since we have no basis to claim any of this, we can only speculate and test this, and I believe that's why we have a "Research" session.

Also, like I said, possession was only a myth not longer ago, and yet is being more and more accepted as a fact the more people who are willing to TEST it, not to simply point "this is too good to be true".

 

 

Edit: Oh, since you said I was ignoring "scientific evidence" I decided to stop ignoring and answer this.

 

There's quite a few reasons it'd be highly unlikely, if not completely impossible for a tulpa to interfere with neurochemistry, but I think the most obvious reason is that it would be impossible to control inhibitory neurotransmitter receptors. Unless a tulpa can conjure any particular inhibitory neurotransmitter out of thin air, there would be no way to control the release of chemicals into the synaptic cleft. Specifically for pain control, you can't simply shut off serotonin transporters without serotonin inhibitors, which means there's nothing stopping it from dispersing into the synaptic cleft and binding to serotonin receptors when you are in pain. Likewise, there's no way to inhibit inhibitory neurotransmitter cells from releasing into the synapse and binding to their respective chemical's transporter.

 

Our brain reacts to outside stimulus, if you run into a fight or a life-threatening situation, your brain will stimulate glands to produce adrenalin, thus making you able to deal with these situations properly. If a tulpa can mimic the original thought that made the whole process of stimulus begin, then it's obvious she could reproduce the adrenalin stimulus and therefore you would be able to receive adrenalin whenever you/your tulpa wants/needs. This is, of course, the most known example, but when you exercise you are stimulated to produce neurotransmitters, like serotonin and dopamin. If your tulpa can make your brain THINK you are exercising a lot it would then start the processes of stimulus to produce the same neurotransmitters, serotonin and dopamin.

 

While it might seem stupid to think a tulpa can simply synthesize them, she could stimulate the brain to do so.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Skepticism is the opposite of open mindedness, it's ignoring affirmations until you're satisfied with their validation. What I want is someone to test this, not someone to say why this couldn't be done, if there's reports that this can be done, then I want reports that this can't. I get your point, you want to say this is impossible based on what you know about ourselves, but what we know about tulpas is not qualified as scientific proven, yet we believe in them. Any claim about what tulpas can and can't do is still pseudoscience, and if your brain can handle something, then so should your tulpa given training.

Once again, you're confusing skepticism with stubbornness. The absolute greatest minds in history have succeeded in being regarded as such specifically through skepticism and scientific knowledge. Copernicus, Kepler, Descartes, Newton, Locke, Galilei, etc. all greatly progressed science and humanity by being skeptical of Catholicism and using logic and reason to understand why their idea of the world was wrong. This is why they're widely regarded the greatest thinkers to ever live. Arguing that skepticism isn't as useful and progressive as blind faith is a level of abstraction away from being just plain silly.

 

While the idea of tulpae itself isn't "scientifically proven" it has grounds in already established science, and can be deducted to be possible through this knowledge. Likewise, there's absolutely no scientific grounding for consciously altering neurochemistry because people have tested it many times, and in conjunction with established knowledge, have deducted it's not possible. This is how science works. And you're ignoring solid science in favor of personal reports and experience. The issue with providing this type of evidence to the contrary is that it's just as anecdotal as the evidence you hold so dear. If someone like you were presented this evidence you'd simply ignore it in favor of your own anecdote. So even if I were to tell you that I have tried this and failed, you'd chalk it up to me either lying or that there is some sort of underlying problem, as there is no actual evidence for either of these claims. This is why your idea of proof is fundamentally flawed.

 

So what you can increase libido by eating X food? You can increase adrenalin by drinking coffee and you can increase X monoamin by ingesting X pill. That does not mean it's something you can make on your own without outside influences, and your tulpa being able to do it would be great. And about increasing libido by thinking certain thoughts, then how could you decrease libido even by seeing things that normally would make you horny? And what about being able to simply increasing libido without (at least consciously) receiving thoughts? That's what has been said to be possible.

Again, you're basing this all on claims with no evidence. It would be great if my tulpa could allow me to fly and orgasm at will, but doesn't mean it's somehow possible. And just because a stranger on the internet said it was possible, I shouldn't vehemently expect it to be.

 

Everything we think we know about tulpa is pseudoscience, we can only speculate, any claim that this can be done is as easily confirmed as saying it's not, it can't be proven given that this phenomenom is not studied scientifically yet. It's a dogmatic affirmation, since we have no basis to claim any of this, we can only speculate and test this, and I believe that's why we have a "Research" session.

Also, like I said, possession was only a myth not longer ago, and yet is being more and more accepted as a fact the more people who are willing to TEST it, not to simply point "this is too good to be true".

By the very nature of how the brain and it's respective chemicals work, it's not possible. If we were talking about something that hasn't been extensively studied and doesn't have an entire field of science dedicated to it, then perhaps I'd be more open minded to an idea that essentially breaks the rules of what has already been tested and re-tested. And possession doesn't have scientific evidence directly contrary to it's existence. While most people didn't believe it was possible at it's conception, I felt indifferent to it. It's a simple psychological trick, not a matter of consciously altering physical chemicals.

[motorheadlk]

Once again, you're confusing skepticism with stubbornness. The absolute greatest minds in history have succeeded in being regarded as such specifically through skepticism and scientific knowledge. Copernicus, Kepler, Descartes, Newton, Locke, Galilei, etc. all greatly progressed science and humanity by being skeptical of Catholicism and using logic and reason to understand why their idea of the world was wrong. This is why they're widely regarded the greatest thinkers to ever live. Arguing that skepticism isn't as useful and progressive as blind faith is a level of abstraction away from being just plain silly.

 

Did I ever mentioned I wasn't a skeptical or that I disaprove it? I'm not confusing shit, mate. The very definition of a skeptical is one who doubts, and you putting Descartes in the middle of the skeptics since he hated them so much is just funny. And what I said about everyone here being skeptical being funny it's just because believing in tulpae is simply something most skepticals would not do. I do not disregard any skepticals, hell, I've been thinking of ways to prove tulpae to the world everyday.

 

the idea of tulpae itself isn't "scientifically proven" it has grounds in already established science, and can be deducted to be possible through this knowledge. Likewise, there's absolutely no scientific grounding for consciously altering neurochemistry because people have tested it many times, and in conjunction with established knowledge, have deducted it's not possible. This is how science works. And you're ignoring solid science in favor of personal reports and experience. The issue with providing this type of evidence to the contrary is that it's just as anecdotal as the evidence you hold so dear. If someone like you were presented this evidence you'd simply ignore it in favor of your own anecdote. So even if I were to tell you that I have tried this and failed, you'd chalk it up to me either lying or that there is some sort of underlying problem, as there is no actual evidence for either of these claims. This is why your idea of proof is fundamentally flawed.

 

"Have deducted it's not possible". Seriously, do you even read? Read what I said about exterior stimulus. The very fact that your tulpa is an hallucination means that your brain can be fooled with what's real and what you think, thus it's not unlikely that it could confuse stimulus from your tulpa from stimulus from the physical world. Stimulus from the physical world can make your brain start producing neurotransmitters, so if your tulpa can mimic what your brain thinks when he reacts to these exterior stimulus, she can fool the brain in producing what you want. It is logically possible, if you want to say it's not don't say like "tulpa can't physical".

 

Again, you're basing this all on claims with no evidence. It would be great if my tulpa could allow me to fly and orgasm at will, but doesn't mean it's somehow possible. And just because a stranger on the internet said it was possible, I shouldn't vehemently expect it to be.

 

What I have are reports of people who could perform certain things with their tulpas, different reports, from different people, claiming similar things. It's easier to imagine it's not a coincidence than to think it is. You're saying that it's impossible for a tulpa to synthesize a neurotransmitter from thin air, but that's not at all what I've been saying, so it's more like you who's ignoring shit now.

Please, I beg you, you didn't even quote what I said about exterior stimulus, are you just ignoring because you think you can't counter argument it or you don't have any real intentions of seeking the truth while having a debate?

 

By the very nature of how the brain and it's respective chemicals work, it's not possible. If we were talking about something that hasn't been extensively studied and doesn't have an entire field of science dedicated to it, then perhaps I'd be more open minded to an idea that essentially breaks the rules of what has already been tested and re-tested. And possession doesn't have scientific evidence directly contrary to it's existence. While most people didn't believe it was possible at it's conception, I felt indifferent to it. It's a simple psyc

 

Since it seems you purposedly missed my post explaining why your reasoning was flawed, I'll quote it here, and I expect a serious answer.

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Our brain reacts to outside stimulus, if you run into a fight or a life-threatening situation, your brain will stimulate glands to produce adrenalin, thus making you able to deal with these situations properly. If a tulpa can mimic the original thought that made the whole process of stimulus begin, then it's obvious she could reproduce the adrenalin stimulus and therefore you would be able to receive adrenalin whenever you/your tulpa wants/needs. This is, of course, the most known example, but when you exercise you are stimulated to produce neurotransmitters, like serotonin and dopamin. If your tulpa can make your brain THINK you are exercising a lot it would then start the processes of stimulus to produce the same neurotransmitters, serotonin and dopamin.

 

While it might seem stupid to think a tulpa can simply synthesize them, she could stimulate the brain to do so.

 

Oh, and before you go saying that there's no proof that fooling our brain on thinking something is real would make him react producing monoamins like if it was real, then take nightmares for an example. You have a nightmare, you wake up, sometimes screaming, you are all sweaty, your heart rate is on the clouds, you are extremely alert to everything and well, guess what is on your blood. That's right, adrenalin, nightmares, even if they aren't real, fool the brain to produce adrenalin, there are no logical evidence that a tulpa can't do the same EXCEPT if people actually begin testing it out. I'm not saying that I'll accept the first person that comes here and says it didn't work as a fact, but if some trustworthy members of the community try this and detail their actions and their results, then I could call it a conclusive test.

[ice_puppy]

There was this time Krystal got really exited, and even tough I wasn't as much as exited, I blushed and felt an adrenaline rush. So there's that.

 

I don't uually blush, and even less in a chatroom.

[Guest Anonymous]

First of all take everything down a notch or two. There's no need to get so worked up about it, and you shouldn't be taking everything so personally.

 

Did I ever mentioned I wasn't a skeptical or that I disaprove it? I'm not confusing shit, mate. The very definition of a skeptical is one who doubts, and you putting Descartes in the middle of the skeptics since he hated them so much is just funny. And what I said about everyone here being skeptical being funny it's just because believing in tulpae is simply something most skepticals would not do. I do not disregard any skepticals, hell, I've been thinking of ways to prove tulpae to the world everyday.

The word you're looking for is skeptics. The argument about Descartes is petty, as it goes both ways. One can be skeptical by not believing science and ignoring evidence that doesn't fit in with their beliefs. One can also be skeptical by not believing in metaphysical pseudoscientific bullshit through the use of science, and refusing to believe any claims without evidence. While the latter may be the proper use of the word, both are technically correct.

 

"Have deducted it's not possible". Seriously, do you even read? Read what I said about exterior stimulus. The very fact that your tulpa is an hallucination means that your brain can be fooled with what's real and what you think, thus it's not unlikely that it could confuse stimulus from your tulpa from stimulus from the physical world. Stimulus from the physical world can make your brain start producing neurotransmitters, so if your tulpa can mimic what your brain thinks when he reacts to these exterior stimulus, she can fool the brain in producing what you want. It is logically possible, if you want to say it's not don't say like "tulpa can't physical".

A tulpa is not a "hallucination". A tulpa is a a thoughtform, which can exist entirely in one's mind. In essence, they're defined by their mind, not their hallucinated body. And most stimulus is caused by physical input, and would be impossible for a tulpa to affect. This applies to certain portions of the imposition process like "hallucinatory sound". Actual sound is only perceived through the vibrations of soundwaves. Hallucinatory sound is just your mind perceiving mental speech as being spoken out loud. Light touch and (most) sexual pleasure are dictated by mechanoceptors called tactile corpuscles. They are only stimulated through actual pressure, and it would be impossible to trick your mind into activating them. You are basing this all on the radical assumption that a tulpa has full control of your body, and is able to control such things at will because it's part of your subconscious. Many of these processes aren't dictated by your subconscious mind and run independent of it. Even if a tulpa was able to have full control of your subconscious, it wouldn't be able to, say, stop your heart from beating for example.

 

What I have are reports of people who could perform certain things with their tulpas, different reports, from different people, claiming similar things. It's easier to imagine it's not a coincidence than to think it is. You're saying that it's impossible for a tulpa to synthesize a neurotransmitter from thin air, but that's not at all what I've been saying, so it's more like you who's ignoring shit now.

Please, I beg you, you didn't even quote what I said about exterior stimulus, are you just ignoring because you think you can't counter argument it or you don't have any real intentions of seeking the truth while having a debate?

This just goes back to my first point that it's all anecdotal. There are forums with hundreds of people who claim the world is flat, and they all have very similar personal stories and experiences of it being so. There are forums for people who believe pokemon are real and hidden by the government, and they all have identical stories of seeing them. It's ridiculously easy for people to base lies off of the information of one initial lie, and it's done quite often. Just because a small group of strangers on the internet have similar experiences doesn't prove a single thing other than your own gullibility. And the reason I didn't quote what you said on exterior stimulus is because I typed it up before you made the edit. It's good to see you can jump to conclusions, though.

Since it seems you purposedly missed my post explaining why your reasoning was flawed, I'll quote it here, and I expect a serious answer.

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I already covered physical stimulus above. As a completely serious question, did you study neuroscience or organic chemistry at all? It doesn't really seem like you quite understand how everything works. I don't mean this as an insult.

 

Oh, and before you go saying that there's no proof that fooling our brain on thinking something is real would make him react producing monoamins like if it was real, then take nightmares for an example.

That is one clustfuck of a butchered sentence. Rephrase it, please. Also you don't think it be like it is, but it do.

 

You have a nightmare, you wake up, sometimes screaming, you are all sweaty, your heart rate is on the clouds, you are extremely alert to everything and well, guess what is on your blood. That's right, adrenalin, nightmares, even if they aren't real, fool the brain to produce adrenalin, there are no logical evidence that a tulpa can't do the same EXCEPT if people actually begin testing it out. I'm not saying that I'll accept the first person that comes here and says it didn't work as a fact, but if some trustworthy members of the community try this and detail their actions and their results, then I could call it a conclusive test.

You're arguing a point of false stimulus. Adrenaline can be released from the most mundane activities. It'll release when your chair tips back too far, when there's a loud noise, strange sensation, etc. etc. It's basic human instinct and has nothing to do with being randomly released by tulpae. But this all goes back to the fact that your only evidence for it being possible in the first place is a few stories from strangers on the internet. The fact that I've bothered responding at all to someone who accepts that as substantial evidence is alarming to me. And concluding a test based on a few people telling you it works is essentially spitting in the face of the scientific method. All evidence must be substantial and emperical. No exceptions.