Guest EnnervateIndustries January 7, 2013 January 7, 2013 I would like this thread to be split at the retrocausality posts and this thread be locked so that this whole shitstorm argument doesn't start again, if the mods would be so kind.
oi-stein January 8, 2013 January 8, 2013 There is a reason I brought up the delayed choice quantum eraser and not thr double-slit experiment. Om Mani Padma Hung
Kadoh January 8, 2013 January 8, 2013 Yeah, he does Waffle on though~ Seriously though, where did your epic avatar go, buddy? He deleted the Christmas one, and hasn't got access to the old one. My opinions are all subject to change.
Guest Dreagar January 8, 2013 January 8, 2013 He deleted the Christmas one, and hasn't got access to the old one. *lowers hat at tragedy* You will be missed, thinking guy avatar.
waffles January 8, 2013 January 8, 2013 There is a reason I brought up the delayed choice quantum eraser and not thr double-slit experiment. The delayed-choice quantum eraser is just an elaboration of the dual-slit experiment. What's different enough to merit a different interpretation along the lines of mind-matter interaction, might I ask?
oi-stein January 13, 2013 January 13, 2013 The delayed-choice quantum eraser is just an elaboration of the dual-slit experiment. What's different enough to merit a different interpretation along the lines of mind-matter interaction, might I ask? I apologize, I find that my information is incorrect. Anyways, there are legitimate theories of psychokinesis and telepathy, like a mother having entangled particles with her son and being able to feel his pain, and so on. Om Mani Padma Hung
Kadoh January 13, 2013 January 13, 2013 What exactly would cause this quantum entanglement? My opinions are all subject to change.
Asgardian January 13, 2013 January 13, 2013 I apologize, I find that my information is incorrect. Anyways, there are legitimate theories of psychokinesis and telepathy, like a mother having entangled particles with her son and being able to feel his pain, and so on. That is peculiar, I wonder how the brain manages to filter the decoherence from the entangled what, electrons, protons(?), while it emits brain waves measurable from outside the skull and blunt impacts can still cause concussions. Not to mention how it manages to transfer information through them at all. I am sure physicists around the world scream in delight, if somebody finally finds a way of simple FTL communication like that. Sorry, but that is utter bullshit, for countless reasons. A reason why a mother could feel her son's pain, or why humans can feel empathy like that, would rather be the so-called mirror neurons, able to mirror the brain activity of others to some extend by making educated guesses. But there is nothing magical, supernatural, or spiritual about that at all. "Sorry for that, my communication implants are idiologically biased."
Guest Dreagar January 13, 2013 January 13, 2013 A reason why a mother could feel her son's pain, or why humans can feel empathy like that, would rather be the so-called mirror neurons, able to mirror the brain activity of others to some extend by making educated guesses. I'm afraid I have to agree with this. Although supernatural sources can effect empathy, empathy itself is mundane. Now telepathic empathy, ie. feeling pain when your son is hurt, and you have no idea they are, is supposedly supernatural. But I agree with Asgardian, it couldn't be as simple as entangled particles, especially in the very heavily observed brain. Maybe a system of dynamic entanglement, maybe. But not static. And that's the great mystery, is it coincidence strung together by the human mind, or is there something transmitting information?
waffles January 13, 2013 January 13, 2013 There's no experimental evidence to support that kind of telepathy. Isolated occasions can be dismissed on the grounds of unreliability, coincidence or simply imagination in retrospection. Entanglement doesn't make sense as an explanation either. Firstly, for the brain to measure individual particles would be some feat, and even more so creating and maintaining an entangled state. In fact, it's biologically impossible, more or less: the particles have to interact directly. Moreover, it's not useful for complex communication - at least, not if it were used in the body. Entanglement doesn't really mean 'change one and the other changes'. It means 'measure one and the other one will have the corresponding value'. In other words, it's not even possible to see whether the other one was measured first without comparing results. Sorry to rain on your parade trace, but you should really read up on your physics before making claims like that.
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