Possible explanation for speedy tulpæ

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[Kiahdaj]

The main problem with these theories is the fact that a whole lot of people who claim to have "insta-tulpas" and so forth didn't have that kind of prep.

I've heard of lots of people just now hearing about tulpas, and within a couple weeks, they're "fully developed".

 

I have a theory in the matter, too, for most people.

They're lying.

[Guest Anonymous]

I have a theory in the matter, too, for most people.

They're lying.

 

I don't think so.

Ok, there's probably a fair share of them who are lying, but I think many of those who get vocal responses very quickly, let's say after a week, might not have understood what a vocal response is. They just listen for something and the first stray thought is an answer.

I think this idea that if you aren't consciously parroting then it's the tulpa is a bit stupid honestly, and that helps confounding everything with responses.

 

A thing I noticed is that in the daemon community the way to start to hear for your daemon is just listen, they are already there. I think it's the same thing. (they might develop into something "real" later though.)

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[tania]

Interesting post.

 

My first Tulpa was a spontanous instant tulpa many would call it which was accidently created from a servitor. She spontanously spoke to me like throu my physical ears as if standing right behind me, on day 1.

 

Looking back at that .. I had put some intense time (maybe several days or so? of ALL DAY AND NIGHT focus. I have Aspergers so when I focus on something, I really focus and its like nothing else exists to me.. I'll forget to eat, I wont even hear the phone ring etc) on trying to find info on creating a servitor so maybe I'd been gathering up that "clay" as you call it in your post. I'll just call it energy as not only does it help to build tulpas but also feeds them.

 

So say I built "something" up but at that time it wasnt formed into a Tulpa (I was researching servitors and thinking about what I was going to do there) but it was there ready and waiting for when I did start making that servitor and then when I gave my servitor its own ability to think for itself, not knowing that would make something called a Tulpa.. I then had a Tupla. *Note.. as Im into metaphysical stuff I had previously had a quite a few clairaudient experiences (I used to go to psychic/channelling classes for years) .. so maybe that made me completely open to hearing as if it was physically the Tulpa on day 1 (whereas most quite possibly need to become open to hearing things, trick their brains as so often put on this site).

 

So I guess all the tools needed for me were all there ready to go.

 

*Interesting my second Tulpa who is a month old, hasnt talked yet to me outloud thou he has his own voice within my mind. Ive heard him thou throu my physical ears doing something for the first time today but not his voice physically yet.

 

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In addition to that, you only hear their voice originating from where they're sitting, not everywhere else. The idea with this analogy is to explain how /I/ hear my tulpas and tell the difference between stray thoughts. Stray thoughts I can tell were mine, even if I didn't explicitly think them. Tulpa thoughts might have sounded like stray thoughts, but they had a different type of volume to them, as well as the fact that I could tell it was coming from a different "direction" (for the huge lack of a better word) than my stray thoughts.

 

 

I havent noticed at all my Tulpas voice coming from a specific location in my mind to my own self (which I dont get a location for either. That's not to say those things dont have locations, maybe I just havent noticed it yet). He even if he's using my mind voice at the time, often comes across different to me (like an alien thought and I know it wasnt me). I thou are quite sure Im probably also missing a lot of times he's speaking to me like that too due to putting him down some of his thoughts as probably thoughts of mine. (Id rather just dismiss ones Im not sure about then put them down to him).

 

I far prefer it when he speaks innerly to me in his own voice (he's male, Im female so that makes things easy) as then of cause I dont have to even consider if what im hearing is him or I and try to feel the situation out.

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[tania]

Now that I think about it more, the word "layer" works better. They speak to you from a different "layer" of your mind. I've wrapped my mind around the whole 4-spatial-dimensions crap (how it's similar to taking a radio and tuning it to a different channel) and each thought comes from a nearby space in a sort of 4-D pocket that I think in. This probably helps clear nothing up, but its difficult to describe the actual feeling of how you "hear" a tulpa's mindvoice. At this point I think I'll give up on it until we can figure out a better way to define it.

 

I think its always going to be extremely hard to define where things are in like space (even if that space is inside of the mind :)

 

But yeah.. I do certainly think there are "layers" of the mind. I discovered that before I had tuplas.. its like there are different levels of thoughts. I found that its quite possible to be thinking about something and having thoughts about that running throu the brain while ones brain is on a deeper level expressing itself in a completely different way, possibly about something entirely different .. daydreaming? on a completely different stream (unless it was the symbolics for the normal waking thoughts I had planning out behind them at another level and being symbolic wasnt making sense to me?).

 

So with the Tulpa.. maybe there then would be a "third" layer to the two normal ones?

[Semi-Nomadic]

 

I don't think so.

Ok, there's probably a fair share of them who are lying, but I think many of those who get vocal responses very quickly, let's say after a week, might not have understood what a vocal response is. They just listen for something and the first stray thought is an answer.

I think this idea that if you aren't consciously parroting then it's the tulpa is a bit stupid honestly, and that helps confounding everything with responses.

 

A thing I noticed is that in the daemon community the way to start to hear for your daemon is just listen, they are already there. I think it's the same thing. (they might develop into something "real" later though.)

Frankly, lately I'm inclined to agree.

 

For a couple of months I was entirely sure my tulpae were speaking to me. I asked them questions, concentrated on hearing the answer word by word as if I was squeezing a lemon, and assumed that the first thing that came to my head to be their response.

 

But recently I started getting proper mindvoice responses... ones characterized by the "alien feeling" described by FAQ_Man. I ask a question and the response just appears audibly on its own in my head. It feels completely different, much more natural. And I'm now suspecting that most of what I thought back then to be vocal responses, was, in fact, at least half parroting. (of course, I'll have full certainty once my tulpae achieve 100% competence with their voice so that they can simply explain everything to me.)

 

I'm thinking that a lot of the "early" people might be the same way... they're just not discerning enough.

 

Belief in your tulpa's responses is a damn difficult thing. Be too gullible, and you end up deluding yourself for a long time. Be too strict, and you miss out on the real deal.