Andrew June 12, 2012 June 12, 2012 WATCH AT LEAST ONE OF THESE VIDEOS BEFORE READING ON! www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAntzB7EwE First of all, a disclaimer. I am a Magician. So anything I am about to say is born of interest from that. We rely a lot on Misdirection. Tunnel vision is incredibly strong in humans. Whenever I teach a method to someone, more often than not, they reply "But people will see that!" People CAN see it, yes. My secret moves aren't exactly hidden. I do a lot of moves (Sneaking cards to my pocket. Snaking a card into my mouth, bending a spoon) in FULL view. However, I make sure the focus lies elsewhere. This focus may only last for an instant at most, but it gives me time to do what I need to. In short, People don't see anything outside their focus, even if it is within full view. This of course means that when preforming, it is the people who are NOT paying attention who are the danger, as their focus is on the whole picture, not the movements of my hands. So my question is this: Is the focus of a Tupla restricted by the focus of the host? Can a person be focusing on one point, whereas their Tupla be looking at the whole picture? A test I propose is perhaps to make a video similar to the ones posting at the top. Or several similar, with only one(or more) having something weird, so the host doesn't know which video(s) is(are) being tested. Ask the host to watch the videos, following the instructions on them all, but ask the Tupla to watch the videos as a whole, not paying attention to any specific thing. At the end, ask the host which video(s) had something weird, and what was weird about it(them). Then ask the Tulpa the same. Null Hypothesis: The Tulpa will only notice as much as the Host notices. Alt Hypothesis: The Tulpa will notice things that the Host misses. Extroadinarily, my prediction is that the Tulpae WILL notice things that the host misses. This is because the subconcious sees the whole image, but only feeds what it thinks is relevant to the conscious mind. Therefore, having more direct access to the sub-c should mean having the full image. Thoughts? And Clair, I'm expecting to hear off you. :) "What did you do today?" "Oh, you know, got called a hater by a schizophrenic's marijuana-fueled wolf hallucination." "Righteous!" I call her Philos. My BLOG is updated daily.
Bluesleeve June 12, 2012 June 12, 2012 Your prediction is right, having a Tulpa is like two people looking out of a single window. I have posted something similar on my Blog: http://whatisatulpa.tumblr.com/post/24632338506/a-tulpas-fov-and-out-of-body-experiences-obes It's about a Tulpa's fielf of view. What is a Tulpa? Blog Rainbow 'Alyx' Dash Pronto
Phi June 12, 2012 June 12, 2012 Your prediction will probably prove correct. If the tulpa is connected to the sub-c, then it will pick up on things that you may have missed. However, it can not actually see what is outside your field of vision, and will only 'see' what you assume to be there. An easy way to explain this would be to use a magic trick. I myself know a few, though I am no professional. I prefer tricks that use misdirection, suggestion, and linguistics. "I'll levitate this card" is nice and all, but it's obviously a visual trick and holds no real interest for me. "Think of any card, this is what you are thinking" holds more interest. Anyway, sorry for rambling. Here is the example: You probably know this trick. I use hand motions, pointing at you and making other natural hand motions that aren't out of place at all. I ask you to pick any number between 1 and 10. However, when I do this I subtly hold up 7 fingers. The focus of a person obviously isn't on those fingers, but the mentalist's face (hopefully). However, their sub-c will pick up on the cue and they'll more than likely pick 7 (unless their one of those naughty subjects that picks their favorite number). Now, a tulpa may very well miss this too; they aren't perfect, and their focus may also be on either you or the mentalist. However, if I picked a better example or wasn't too lazy to re-write another example, you would see that the tulpa may have a different point of focus than you at any given time, and may remember things that you don't. Again, not what was going on behind you, but other things that happened in your field of vision that you were not paying attention to. EDIT: I remember both of these videos. The Colour Changing Card Trick one is nice and all, and you may or may not have noticed all the color switches. However, in the same video, did you notice the gorilla?
Slushie June 12, 2012 June 12, 2012 I asked Dane about something like this. As a specific example I wondered if a tulpa could remember something like the text on a billboard that the host doesn't look directly at. He told me the tulpa could probably remember a general image of the text, maybe describe the color and general shape, but not what it actually said. So tulpas can remember a vague image of what we've seen, but they won't "know" what they saw unless we processed it in detail ourselves. A tulpa can analyze and interpret information its own way, but it still relies on our eyes to gather visual data and our brain structures (i.e. the fusiform gyrus) to process the data we focus on. It would be interesting to perform targeted experiments to prove or disprove this, though. Astral project on my face, brother!
Andrew June 13, 2012 Author June 13, 2012 I have posted something similar on my Blog: http://whatisatulpa.tumblr.com/post/24632338506/a-tulpas-fov-and-out-of-body-experiences-obes It's about a Tulpa's fielf of view. The question isn't about the field of view, rather the focus of view. The circumstances in question are about times when the object IS in the field of view, but the host doesn't notice it. You probably know this trick. I use hand motions, pointing at you and making other natural hand motions that aren't out of place at all. I ask you to pick any number between 1 and 10. However, when I do this I subtly hold up 7 fingers. The focus of a person obviously isn't on those fingers, but the mentalist's face (hopefully). However, their sub-c will pick up on the cue and they'll more than likely pick 7 (unless their one of those naughty subjects that picks their favorite number). Protip: 7 is the most common anyways. The hand suggestion plays little part. I suppose it CAN work. Derren Brown has written about such methods, so I may as well give it a try when I'm next at work. (I do the same trick, and if they guess the number (I use 7) correctly, I play it off as a miracle, and if it doesn't, I play it off as 'pft, that never works.' Always gets a laugh. I do keep a record of success rate, so I'll see if it ups it. I asked Dane about something like this. As a specific example I wondered if a tulpa could remember something like the text on a billboard that the host doesn't look directly at. He told me the tulpa could probably remember a general image of the text, maybe describe the color and general shape, but not what it actually said. So tulpas can remember a vague image of what we've seen, but they won't "know" what they saw unless we processed it in detail ourselves. A tulpa can analyze and interpret information its own way, but it still relies on our eyes to gather visual data and our brain structures (i.e. the fusiform gyrus) to process the data we focus on. It would be interesting to perform targeted experiments to prove or disprove this, though. That's a good exampe. It would be good to see what the experiment brings up though. "What did you do today?" "Oh, you know, got called a hater by a schizophrenic's marijuana-fueled wolf hallucination." "Righteous!" I call her Philos. My BLOG is updated daily.
Phi June 13, 2012 June 13, 2012 Protip: 7 is the most common anyways. The hand suggestion plays little part. I suppose it CAN work. Derren Brown has written about such methods, so I may as well give it a try when I'm next at work. (I do the same trick, and if they guess the number (I use 7) correctly, I play it off as a miracle, and if it doesn't, I play it off as 'pft, that never works.' Always gets a laugh. I do keep a record of success rate, so I'll see if it ups it. That's a good exampe. It would be good to see what the experiment brings up though. Yeah, I realized that 7 was the most common number when I wrote this, but I didn't really feel like thinking up of another example. The important part is that you understand what I meant when I said it. I love Derren Brown.
Andrew June 13, 2012 Author June 13, 2012 Veering off tangentally, (May mods smite me down with thunder and send me to hell), have you ever read 'Pure Effect' by Derren Brown? I mean, ahem. Some of Derren Brown's books go into psychology and suggestion, and may be good reading for anyone on this board. Especially for anyone interested in psychological magic. Totally on topic. "What did you do today?" "Oh, you know, got called a hater by a schizophrenic's marijuana-fueled wolf hallucination." "Righteous!" I call her Philos. My BLOG is updated daily.
Phi June 13, 2012 June 13, 2012 No, but I'll look for a completely legal and public download that is not against the law in any way. Cough. I've never read any of his books yet, but I do watch his videos on youtube a lot. Just re-watched Something Wicked This Way Comes yesterday.
Rhyme June 13, 2012 June 13, 2012 tulpa can notice things you won't. while it may be assumptions if it's in your peripheral or somewhere silly like behind you, it will most likely be wrong, but if it's in your view but you're focusing elsewhere your tulpa will see it confirmed from semi-experience. Yukari (vocal), Arisa (vocal) Don't look down.
Andrew June 15, 2012 Author June 15, 2012 Semi experience? Care to explain? "What did you do today?" "Oh, you know, got called a hater by a schizophrenic's marijuana-fueled wolf hallucination." "Righteous!" I call her Philos. My BLOG is updated daily.
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