My Thoughts or Theirs'?

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

So like, I've got two tulpas now, Forseen and Muse. They're sentient and mostly vocal. Most of the time it's easy for me to tell the difference between my thoughts and theirs', but sometimes it's confusing.

 

Basically, I'd think I thought of something, but right after the thought develops I kinda feel Muse or Forseen 'claim' the thought. For example, I'm talking about freedom on a forum. I think of how alcohol basically makes you not care what you do, and I think this thought is mine. But right after I get this feeling that Forseen actually said it, and not me. It just confuses me cuz i don't get the feeling that he's the one who said it until after the thought forms, not during or before.

 

Looking at the thoughts afterwards it also sometimes looks like a foreign thought (especially in that example I gave beforehand, cuz the thought originally popped up with several curses in them and I usually don't curse if I can help it, but Forseen loves to curse left and right). However, this isn't always the case, mainly because Muse talks in a similar way as me, minus the repeated use of the word dude XD So if she claims the thought, i can barely tell the difference.

 

Also these thoughts are usually heard in my own mindvoice beforehand, but then right after when I try to recall it to make sure, Forseen or Muse end up saying it themselves with their own voices.

 

So... yeah. What's up, and are they my thoughts or theirs?

[Guest ExtraExtrapie]

I had this same exact problem when Aurum started becoming vocal, and it was even worse because she was rarely able to tell me if the thoughts were hers. I solved this by having her talk to me by... well, talking. This exercise will hopefully make your tulpa's mindvoice sound like thier own voice- after performing it myself, all of her thoughts have a feminine accent to them, making it much easier to distinguish her thoughts from my own.

 

(Copypasta from my tumblr, credit for the exercise goes to Chupi)

 

1. Put a speaker in your wonderland (I made a full-blown stereo system with a lounge area around it)

 

2. Make a microphone that connects to the speakers

 

3. Speak into the mic- make sure that it works and you can hear your own voice through the speaker.

 

4. Have your tulpa speak into it.

 

TIP: If you don’t already know what her voice sounds like, have her start by humming into the mic. This will give you an understanding of your tulpa’s pitch. I started with humming, then a few staggered words, and slowly worked my way up until we were dueting “Safety Bootie” :3

 

You can also modify this exercise to help you with auditory hallucinations. I hope it works out for you!

 

Finally, the all-purpose statement of "If you think it could have been your tulpa, believe it was your tulpa" is 100% true. Don't fear parroting, it will plague your tulpa's progress and deter her from speaking out more. If it was parroting, it won't hurt her at all for you to think it was her. Do you see a single account of a tulpa that was hurt by parroting or puppeting? No, only tulpae that were hurt by the FEAR of puppeting and parroting. Beleive in your tulpae- if they say it was them, it was them.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

Huh, interesting. I think I'll try it out, thanks ^^

[Linkzelda]

That's all very symbolic. I'ma try and explain it without symbolism, simply because symbolism works on a person-to-person basis.

 

I sorta had the reverse, where either of my two tulpas would start saying something, but my mind voice would overwrite theirs in the second half of the sentence, making it so I was the one thinking by the end of it. This made me doubt whether or not I was parroting them, but remember this: In order to process words, we often think them in our heads. You'll probably read this very post in your head with some form of mind voice. I figured out that I wasn't seizing control of their thoughts, but rather I was processing them and accidentally not hearing them because of it.

 

I think this sort of is the same with you, but in reverse.

 

They create their thoughts using your processing power, or in a space where you can hear it. It's still their thought, but you're just hearing it's creation phase due to them not having the space to think on their own. This will pass with time, as you all get more practiced in speaking to each other, and the neural pathways realign and allow for more thinking space on the tulpas side.

 

This.This.This.This.This.This.This.This.

 

And to OP,

 

For me, whenever I use hypnosis to train Eva to say random words and me focusing more on her voice, it usually ends up with me either:

 

- Closing my eyes and imagining as many thoughts as I can while she states them

- Keeping my eyes closed, looking at objects around me while she states them and she goes on rambling on her own

 

 

And another thing that might help with distinguish your thoughts from theirs. Try this, it's the "you know how/when/a person/" composition.

 

Example:

 

"You know when people meet someone they know, and they greet each other in a grocery store or some place of business, and then they meet each other a few minutes in the same building, and it feels awkward? Yeah, that's how I felt just now when I met *insert person's name*"

 

(You were most likely already creating a moment you had similar to that, or your imagination added random people to fit the situation didn't ya?)

 

Although this sounds random, this is just one of many ways of how you can get your tulpa to create thoughts on their own, because when you ask them, "You know how so and so....along with the question," you give them the presumption that they can imagine the type of scenario, and it's how people naturally get their ideas out and allowing others to relate to them. And then the person switches back to "I," so that unconsciously, the person listening to them backtracks into seeing how the scenario relates to what they'll be storytelling.

 

And not only that, you can use that composition itself for more scenarios as well, even if they never happened to you!

 

If you can make your own imagination of the "you know how so and so" and state it to your tulpa, and then they respond to what you said with "you know how so and so" with their own imagination, with practice, you can see more independence.

 

Of course, there's so many things I can talk about that can foster independence, but I'm still experimenting on that right now. Good luck though, OP!

[Myak]

Ha, I have this problem, too. For me, my tulpa thinks at almost same time as me in the same "mind voice" (I'm not a very audio-orientated person, so it is hard for me to think in voices), so I just assign one of the thoughts to him. I'm not sure which is him most of the time, but I figure if I keep trying it'll sort itself out.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

lol thanks guys ^^ I'll work on their independence and such then.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

Since I'm too lazy to make a new thread, I'm just gonna bump this old one and see if someone will find this. Plus it's kinda a simple question.

 

So sometimes when they say something, i mumble it out loud. Or at the very least kinda mouth it. I'm like 90% sure it's their thought(s), mainly because in my head it's in their voice and/or the thought is just something I wouldn't think of. But I'm still worried cuz im still saying what they're saying outloud ^^; This normal?

[NeonKnights]

If I had to guess, I'd say that it's just a reaction as you process their thoughts. Now and then, I still suffer from something similar. She'll say something, and I'll "word" the thought out in my mind as I'm hearing it (not physically in any way, but sometimes it almost feels like I'm on the verge of mouthing the words).

 

Not sure if this is exactly what you're encountering, but in my case I've begun to figure that it's probably just me unconsciously trying to parse the thought she sent me. I'm not sure of a solution besides continued communication practice, though as far as I can tell it isn't harmful to progress as long as it doesn't shake your belief that the thoughts are from your tulpa.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

Hm... makes sense. I thought so, but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks! ^^