Proving Tulpas via brain activity?

[The Manjaro]

Hi, I'm quite new here and I don't know if something like this has been tried before. I've looked around and haven't seen anything so here it goes.

The other night I had an idea that, while obviously wouldn't be able to prove the existence of tulpas on it's own, but could very well put us on the right path.

 

I would figure, that those who have created many tulpas and are very experienced with them would show much more brain activity when forcing and narrating compared to someone who has no tulpas.

So with that, I would imagine that hosting multiple consciousnesses in one mind would show a measurable increase in brain activity that could be mapped somewhere in the brain.

 

It would be like checking the performance tab on a computer when you have 2 operating systems running verses only one to prove to an outside observer that there are in fact 2 running.

 

Above adding some plausible proof to skeptics, looking at the activity could provide that "There you are" moment for the subject and their tulpa.

 

A test like this would obviously need a large sample size. It would also be beneficial to distinguish dreaming versus someone being in their wonderland.

[Spartanelete]

I'd be surprised if this test hasn't already been done before.

 

I don't want to say I definitely know that the tulpamancer would have increased activity, but it would make sense if he/she did.

[atomcrusader]

Please refer to the earlier thread on this topic:

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-eeg-and-tulpa-research

[Shui]

The thing is, we think of parallel processing as an exclusive ability to tulpamancers, but it isn't. For example, Bob Milne, piano player and conductor, was actually tested by neuroscientists -- while most people can hear a song in their heads, Bob Milne was proven to be able to hear four songs in his head simultaneously.

[Linkzelda]

Yeah, we tend to glorify all sorts of intelligences towards the tulpa phenomneon without realizing we can do this ourselves (consciously). It makes me wonder if having a tulpa is just for having a consistent source and entity to fill the desire of feeling whole with self, and other endeavors to increase intelligence can be done just by solely the host and the unconscious mind, and the tulpa, part of that unconscious mind, can join in whether they want to or not.

 

It just portrays how we tend to underestimate the abilities we can do with just our conscious mind in building rapport with the unconscious mind. Instead, we delegate that ability and potential we have to our tulpa, and that can often make us want to cop-out from doing things on our own without all the spoon-feeding help we might get with our thought-form.

[hagalaz9]

I think there's no doubt there would be increased brain activity. Visualization in itself is a higher cognitive ability, one obviously not just dedicated to making tulpae. And as Shui mentioned, studies have been performed on humans using multiple cognitive abilities at the same time. Associating sounds with colors, for example, is a proven phenomenon.

 

I'd be interested, however, in exactly how the brain responds to the particular type of visualization required for tulpae, and if this varies between people. REM sleep is a state of hyperactivity and when dreaming occurs, but the brain is in Theta mode, a lower frequency of brain wave. Active, concious thinking on the other hand occurs in Beta mode, a higher frequency. I wonder in which state the mind perceives tulpa the easiest, and if this varies from person to person.

[Linkzelda]

I wonder in which state the mind perceives tulpa the easiest, and if this varies from person to person.

 

From personal experience, before I knew about tulpa, I found that Alpha wave states (the common state of being in conventional meditation) has a better effect than the others because the person is relaxed, but also concentrated as well.

 

Whenever I would do some active forcing, which is usually closed-eyed for the time being, I find that the more I use Alpha Binaural beats, the better it is for me to visualize Eva even more. There's an article here on alpha wave patterns that show better activity in inward tasks like mental calculation and working memory. And an activity known as Image Streaming is one where anyone can increase their visual prowess in general and also other aspects of intelligence as well. Usually it's deemed to be good for closed-eye activity (conventional tulpaforcing, or meditation in your perspective), and it can also contribute to people being able to have better working memory because of how it stimulates the mind to make better connections towards anything honestly.

 

The original image streaming technique involved breathing in and out with your eyes closed to eventually induce the Alpha wave patterns so that one can just let their unconscious mind show whatever mental imagery being displayed and they consciously describe it without giving much analytical thought into it. And some things I learned from a few branches of hypnosis documents and all that involve some element or derived technique of the image streaming technique as a whole.

 

And I feel that the more one can become better at image streaming closed eye, it may be probable and not something too far-fetched to induce the alpha wave state (at least with binaural beats) open-eyed.

[hagalaz9]

Linkzelda - I'd imagine youre right, the alpha state would seem to be the most beneficial for tulpforcing. Conscious theta state meditation might yield it's own unique results though, but might lead to more dream like qualities.

[ryonaloli]

Already been done (although not under the name "tulpa").

 

However testing to see an "increase" in activity would not be very accurate. This is because a tulpa does not by itself provide any extra capabilities, but the process of forcing increases your own brain capacity (as does any other form of practice and training) to "make room" for your tulpa. They are completely separate things.

[Incognito]

Increased activity does not prove that Tulpae is what Tulpamancers claim it to be. Someone who believes that you are demon possesed, will actually take this as proof of their own opinion.