To all of those here that created a tulpa, how you first started "hearing" them?

[garland]

Ok, thanks for your advise, but wait meanwhile after douzens of tries to hear my tulpa i think i made a discovery, i have discovered a kind of test, can any of you tell me if this is a good way to "judge" if i am making up asnwers or not ? Here it is :

 

So far i always tried many times asking simple questions to my tulpa, and i noticed in those questions that if the answer is always obvious, i immediatly have a asnwer predefined in my mind (for example if the tulpa likes me, or if she likes her form, etc), also i always get only loose words, never complete sentences. Also when i ask my tulpa to just talk to me or even surprise me, i start getting douzens of random words, that obviously sound always exactly like when my mind is making answers, i think that because they appear so fast and easely without any effort and there isn't ever any "giberish" or indication of being said from a developing tulpa, the words always sound perfect, i guess that if it was from the tulpa they would sound more "giberish" like and slower to come. Even with the surprise me tactic i notice my mind trying to make up answers and "surprising" situations, sure some of those might actually be the tulpa, i am aware of that, but wait...

 

So i had an idea, not sure if this is pratical but MAYBE it's a good idea : i now started asking my tulpa to be herself actually DOING questions to me, or say something to me but to speak only in sentences longer than 3-4 words !

 

Well, i now immediatly noticed a HUGE difference... now i pratically get almost total silence in my mind! I can even notice my mind trying to "make up questions" that my tulpa might make but i notice it is having a LOT of trouble in doing so, but this time if it does, i will try to accept this as coming from the tulpa even if it isn't.

 

Anyone ever tried this ? Sure it's possible the tulpa won't be able to still make complete sentences, but maybe by insisting on this exercice, with time i might get results, at least like this i will be more confident since the random toughts like this are a LOT less frequent.

[Linkzelda]

Based on existential aspects that this community models what makes a tulpa a tulpa (I've explain that in a guide in the near future), most people end up subscribing to the belief that tulpas obviously aren't other-worldly entities/beings. The initial stages involves them using the pre-existent totality of our memories, habits, belief systems, behaviors etc. Which means when you're listening for their response, you may feel like you're parroting things in advance (which end up being contradicting because that would be an implication that you can be completely dichotomous from unconscious processes).

 

It's ends up with people who are fearful of thinking they're parroting because they know what their tulpa might say, but the thing is, the more you become aware of your tulpa and what you think they may be, you're most likely just being aware of the unconscious' method of using the totality of unconscious processes in order to gradually bring about the sentience and sapience of your tulpa, and thus the eventual vocal being of your tulpa as well. So when you've came up with the revelation (correct me if I'm wrong) that you go through asking your tulpa to ask you the question instead with only brief and short words, this would alleviate the challenge you had with those longer responses that seemed to be skipped utterance on her end.

 

Personally, asking questions to your tulpa (whether you think you're just asking your unconscious mind for questions and hoping your tulpa becomes receptive to them, since they are more intuitive with your unconscious mind obviously) and them asking questions to you will eventually get the same effect. The major challenge is merely repeating these things so that the mind can make the connections needed to have your tulpa say more meaningful things because of their autonomy from your conscious input, judgment, analysis, and such.

 

That's the thing, people just need to do mental exercises and keep battling through the initial stages of things being mundane, random, similar, and such, because the mind will make more complicated modes of thinking that can help the tulpa build their own autonomy from you as the host. Of course, there won't be a complete dichotomy, since they are a part of your mind in general, but you get the idea.

[garland]

Jeez i think there is missing replys here because of the forum being down lately, so it's better i reply this again since i have been having some results!!

 

The initial stages involves them using the pre-existent totality of our memories, habits, belief systems, behaviors etc. Which means when you're listening for their response, you may feel like you're parroting things in advance (which end up being contradicting because that would be an implication that you can be completely dichotomous from unconscious processes). It's ends up with people who are fearful of thinking they're parroting because they know what their tulpa might say, but the thing is, the more you become aware of your tulpa and what you think they may be, you're most likely just being aware of the unconscious' method of using the totality of unconscious processes in order to gradually bring about the sentience and sapience of your tulpa, and thus the eventual vocal being of your tulpa as well.

 

Wow... finally a logical explanation for this, now this makes a lot sense, thank you so much, something like this SHOULD have been in the guides, because you can't imagine how CRUCIAL this is for making me able to pratice without worry that method of just believing in what the tulpa says no matter how much parroting it seems to be, now i am able to do this a LOT easier and have a lot of confidence because i KNOW WHY it works... this was the problem in most methods, i don't even know why they work, no wonder why i had so much trouble believing they would really work.

 

Personally, asking questions to your tulpa (whether you think you're just asking your unconscious mind for questions and hoping your tulpa becomes receptive to them, since they are more intuitive with your unconscious mind obviously) and them asking questions to you will eventually get the same effect. The major challenge is merely repeating these things so that the mind can make the connections needed to have your tulpa say more meaningful things because of their autonomy from your conscious input, judgment, analysis, and such.

 

Wait a minute, does this mean that without this the tulpa isn't able to build a sentience at all ? For example in the first month i mostly just narrated personality traits, and i admit, i never had too much things to say to the tulpa, and i actually didn't do much active exercices to hear the tulpas's responses (at least with open eyes) and maybe that was my error.

 

That's the thing, people just need to do mental exercises and keep battling through the initial stages of things being mundane, random, similar, and such, because the mind will make more complicated modes of thinking that can help the tulpa build their own autonomy from you as the host. Of course, there won't be a complete dichotomy, since they are a part of your mind in general, but you get the idea.

 

Yeah this seems to be getting results!! For example, i did a kind of fusion between these exercices :

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-tips-for-those-who-are-getting-parrotnoid?pid=44156#pid44156

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-forcing-mindvoice?pid=44178#pid44178

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-coaxing-tulpae-into-talking

 

Notice that i do this fused exercice with open eyes all the time, and i only address my tulpa by name, i don't actually visualize her form or "essence", since that distracts me when talking to her or to listen to her thoughts.

 

1.I do a variation of Bin's method in the 3rd link, like i get my ipod and i start listening to vocal audio clips with random sentences from the character in the anime that i want my tulpa to have at at the same time i narrate to my tulpa that i would like her to have this mental voice and to speak to me like this.

 

2.Then i ask for my tulpa to just talk to me or make questions (now i don't ask her anymore to just send long sentences), using HER own mental voice and not use mine.

 

3.Then i start a session, like in the advice from Aurora (2nd link) in which i start writing on my pc or ipod every tought that cames to my mind after i ask my tulpa to say or ask something to me. According to Aurora and her host, it seems that later the responses increase in accuracy so this will be also a great way to later check with my tulpa about that accuracy (in case she remembers all these thoughts i wrote :D )

 

4.Like advised in the 3rd link i will accept EVERY thought from being from my tulpa no matter how unfit or obvious parroting it would be, even knowing that in the beginning most thoughts won't be from her, but thanks to your advise i now feel a lot easier doing this almost without any doubts and i am now able to completly not worry about parroting anymore. I write every tought and i take note if the mind voice of the thought was mine like when i read a text or the tulpa's own mindvoice that i "showed" her in the audio clips, i also take note if i felt the thought forming or if it was sudden.

 

Well, i have been practicing this for a few days now, around 1-2 hours a day and i definitely notice a pattern here... in the first 2 days, i would just get complete random words, mostly loose words from recent memories i had or even the sentences spoken in the audio clips. Then i start noticing that there is certain words and small phrases that repeat a lot, and most of them i do NOT usually think in my random thoughts! This is unusual... Also at the same time i notice that the questions my tulpa makes OR the sentences she says INDEED are starting to get more diverse and complex each day, even tough some of them still are often repeated. Also some of them don't make sense that the tulpa would said and really seem to be completely made up from my mind but i just ignore this for now.

 

In the first days very rarely had a thought with a mental voice similar to the voice from the audio clips, but now each day i notice a increase of this, i am starting to hear the thoughts being spoken in her mindvoice just like if i was visualizing the voice from the audio clips spoking my toughts! By the way some of them i notice it was parroting from my part BUT some of them were unexpected!

 

Although i always had trouble visualizing new sentences being spoken by voices i hear conciously (except a few words), it SEEMS that my tulpa is already able to do this better than me at this point, for example, i am already often receiving thoughts with a mind voice exactly like the one from the audio clips, of course it's not a audio hallucination yet, it's mostly like REMEMBERING the audio clips or remembering the voice from someone that spoke to me in the past, but i am quite satisfied with this! Let's just hope this continues to improve since so far the only indication i have that it's indeed the tulpa is that part of me having a lot of trouble in consciously "creating" new words and sentences using a visualized voice and her doing this better than me, for example i suddenly get her speaking new sentences that i haven't heard in the audio clips (like my own complete name for example).

 

Oh by the way sometimes when i try to listen for her thoughts i hear a strange "mix" of half-words or sometimes i hear her voice but i am unable to know which word she is speaking, it seems almost like when my concious mind is trying to makeup a random sentence with pressure or very fast, but then i realized something, could this be the "gibberish" that i often read in the topics of the forum ?? I mean it does feel like "halfs of words" trying to be mixed together at force and indeed i am not able to reproduce this, although it never seems like static from a radio, could this be the same thing and being indeed the tulpa trying to speak and my mind not "decoding" it well?

 

So what you think, i presume this is significant progress, right ? I really hope i am not illuding myself, but i don't think so, i never got these kind of results before... If you see any possible improvements in this method just tell me :D

 

Also i hope this method can also help other's that like me had so much trouble in hearing their tulpas in the voice they want.