[split] Tulpa Media and Ethics

[MrCrazy]

You learn a lot about humanity when you spend a lot of time in the tulpa community :/ can turn a guy cynical.

 

But yeah, after a while in the tulpa community, you can at least identify who you can trust out of the community, after you have known them for a while.

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why did I post that topic? Perhaps its because my brain p much forced two tulpas on me and I couldn't handle it, and Debby (who resulted from this npc) wasn't sentient then anyways until like, three months after that thread. And anyways, that shit was a long time ago when I was a total retard. It was posted in 2012

[SerjRocketeer]

My last 24 cents:

 

I don't think MrCrazy should not participate, even if it makes him upset. I welcome anybody to fight for what they believe in of course, that just leads to a healthy discussion.

 

I also don't think he is being that much off topic because even tho we might not be discussing the book itself, we are discussing the ramifications it can have on the masses, and what kind of power this knowledge may be used for. That being said, if you want to actually make an impression you have to say "Ok, I'm going to address this and I'm going to put aside the "upset" part in order to see the points presented and why people think this is a good idea so that I, in turn, can make a convincing argument and try to change some minds". So yeah, you gotta GitGud and l2control yourself.

Here is a very good protip:

 

If you're going to just write out of "unpsetness", write, but don't post.

If you're going to just write:

Hopefully no-one will read it.

Write it, but don't actually post it. Vent it out, but just don't press the submit button. Just close the browser/tab, don't think about it and just do it. Because what is the point? You'll just disrupt the current discussion with unclear, unstructured thoughts, you'll be even more upset when people try to call you out, and as an added bonus if you're lucky you'll attract tards like me which you clearly are not too fond of. What did that comment even achieve? You know what it did achieve? It achieved wasted space because you evidently didn't fully think about this (or you just like to post multiple times), and had to disclose or think about how you felt post by post. Seriously, your 4 first comments could easily be put into one... Look at them. No discussion occurred between your first and forth post. The only thing that did happen was amber had to write a bunch of responses instead of one to get the full story from you...

 

Now I've said this before, but one last time: I'm not saying you're wrong or right, nor am I saying I structure my comments in the best of ways, but gosh diddly darn it I try and I think you should to.

 

Now to actually contribute.

About the book. I don't get something, Is this going to be a story book or a (for the lack of a better term), technical book? I think something like this could work if it was a book documenting the lives of various tulpas and hosts. Things like how they feel about each other, difficulties they may have had throughout their lives together, how the host felt about the concept of a tulpa the first time they got into the subject, how did the host actually created the tulpa, how do tulpas feel about being tulpas, etc. I think things like that without going too deep into the technicalities of what a tulpa is and how to create a tulpa, could really be a quite interesting read with a lot of content.

 

Also, there is this:

I could contribute as well, though I don't want to be credited by my real name.

I agree that people should remain anonymous. You can say that it might hurt the credibility of the book, but you would be surprised how many people accept a

The people portrayed in this book have chosen to remain anonymous. These are people with lives, wives, husbands, careers, children... and they are merely protecting themselves against a backlash from society if this book is misunderstood, or not well taken. Please understand, and we hope this doesn't deter you from enjoying the book and taking it serious.

[Upper Class Twit]

I'm going to say this right now.

 

I see where Crazy is coming from, though I disagree with him.

 

Tulpas are a bit of a philosophical problem for me. I am philosophically a libertarian, I believe that what I do with my own body is my own business. However my tulpas and I have difficultly describing exactly what we are.

 

My best guess right now is that they are little autonomous bits of my psyche, so I have rights over them to a certain point IE my body is fucking mine. They can give suggestions, but the final say is mine. I think of them as minority owners of a company in a way.

 

Under my line of thought I'm not sure what to think about Tulpa abuse, its wrong no matter what way I cut it, but if the host does indeed have the final say, there's not a whole lot of philosophical objections I can give other than its causing grievous harm, and that its a misuse of power, which is enough to give me a personal reason to hate it, but not enough to say that people shouldn't make Tulpas, because the better thing to say would be that people shouldn't abuse their Tulpas.

 

About the spreading of information though. This could go one way or another. For one I feel that a book, would appeal to a different demographic than say advertising it on Tulpa, 4chan, or Reddit. Walk into Barnes n' Nobel , find me a 14 year old reading Atlas Shrugged, The Republic, The Stranger, A History of Western Philosophy, The Communist Manifesto, The Metaphysics of Morals, or Essays on the Laws of Nature. And yes I think this book ( if it ever get published ) should be put out as a philosophy book. So I certainly think that we'll appeal to an older demographic, and probably a demographic that would take better care of their Tulpas. Depending on their philosophy, I recall hearing that the Tibetan Buddhists dissipated their tulpas, that said I can not picture a transcendentalist dissipating a tulpa, or an absurdist caring enough to make one.

 

There are bad eggs in every circle and we would undoubtedly attract a few, but this isn't only about Tulpas, its about the hosts.

 

My Tulpa helped shape who I am today, I wasn't suicidal, I wasn't depressed, but something has changed with me. Since I've had my tulpa my self esteem has gone up, I've started to actually put my own needs before the wants of other people, and I've actually developed a bit of pride in myself. I'm in a better place than I was when I started. Now this is an anecdote and not proof, but I've seen this in other people too. If we view people on the same tier ( as I've stated I don't believe that but its simpler just to assume they are) Good caused by tulpas for a person cancels out bad caused by asshole hosts to tulpas. I think that, despite a great deal of our users just giving up and others flat out abusing tulpas I feel that if you weighed it all out, you'd find that a great deal of it cancels out. So I'd say we're actually pretty neutral as far as harm/benefit goes.

 

However I still feel it would be more responsible to tell individuals rather than groups, as you can make more accurate judgement. This isn't fool proof, but its more reliable. If we truly wanted to spread awareness I'd say to do it this way, though a book in the right place for the right demographic could be the best thing that's ever happened to this community, depending on who contributes.

 

I have a friend who's going through a really bad spot right now, who has some experience in meditation and the like. I'm going to introduce the idea to her, in the hopes that she'll be helped out.

 

 

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents on the matter, though looking back on the post, I must of not accounted for deflation.

[Guest Anonymous]

I've split this from 'My Tulpa And me: a book of a tulpas and hosts' life'. Let's get this out of our systems.