How do tulpae become vocal?

[Guest]

A lot of people say that their tulpae had to figure out first, how to talk.

So their heard gibberish, radio chatter or tones while their tulpae worked on becoming vocal.

So how did they do this?

 

Can the vocal tulpae explain how they managed to become vocal? Maybe your descriptions can help non-vocal tulpae on becoming vocal sooner.

[Chupi]

My tulpa is going through this now. She isn't far enough to really explain it to me, but I can say some stuff about this based on what I've seen and from asking other tulpae on the IRC.

 

So far, she's able to manage one-word answers and simple sentences pretty reliably. When she tries a longer thought, I just get gibberish. The gibberish is like a random sequence of syllables that sound like language. I can't make out all the syllables, much less memorize them, yet I get the exact same sequence of syllables if I ask her to repeat herself.

(How can I tell it's the same? If I listen to a sentence in a language I don't understand, I can't repeat it or make out the syllables, but I can pretty reliably tell if what's said afterward is the same or not. It's like that.)

 

I theorize that the gibberish is the result of putting words to an abstract, unworded thought without being fluent in English. People with multiple tulpae report that they can understand each other when they speak like this. Either it works like a language (the syllables decode to the same thought that generated them, but we can't understand it ourselves), or they're exchanging abstract thoughts while making meaningless noises.

 

To start getting much from her, I had to do ThatOneGuy's centering technique (http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Centering-and-Tulpae). I think it's a question of separating the thoughts coming from the tulpa from your own. Before that, I think stuff from her was being drowned out by my own thoughts -- her words were extremely faint at first. If I simply clear my mind, I end up blocking out her words as well as my own thoughts. When I center, I'm more or less clearing my mind and then selectively letting in only thoughts from and related to Lyra. I suspect that as her voice becomes more distinct for me, I'll need to do this less as her words will stand out more. Of course when it gets to the point of being like a hypnagogic voice, no special work should be needed to hear it.

 

From what I hear from others, they very often say a lot before being heard at all. Often the host will hear but discard it as parroting. This is all very frustrating to the tulpa, and Lyra has shows some signs of frustration (crying and general upset; nodded when I asked if it was frustration with slow progress becoming vocal). Try to be receptive of faint thoughts that appear from nowhere when you talk to your tulpa, and don't obsess over whether you're parroting. With a little effort, you can distinguish parroted thoughts. Once you can do that, accept anything that doesn't feel definitely parroted as legit. Another thing about parroting is if you simultaneously get two responses, one stronger than the other, (**unless your tulpa is loud**) the louder / more distinct one is probably the parroted one, and the other is legit.

 

Apart from that, just be patient and supportive of the tulpa, and tell them you want to hear them. If you get faint thoughts, it may help to tell the tulpa to speak louder. I've explained to Lyra that I speak quietly to her most of the time because people are nearby, but that she should speak louder.

[Guest]

My experience is similar to Chupi except mine doesn't talk outside of a hypnagogic state.

[Chupi]

My experience is similar to Chupi except mine doesn't talk outside of a hypnagogic state.

 

Forgot to mention a little history on mine. Her first words were sorta mouthed with lip movements, but I was more or less forced to hear the words, and it was with nearly my own mental voice. Since then, I'd had some more lip movement speech but I had to concentrate on it to make myself hear my voice "reading" the words. (More like actual lipreading, which I suck at. The other time it came automatically.)

 

I also heard her once in hypnagogic voices. Her voice was a little quirky, and I could tell it was her because she spoke in short sentences that were relevant and made sense, and could answer questions. My hypnagogic voices always say some random senseless line and then vanish.

[Virgil]

Can the vocal tulpae explain how they managed to become vocal?

It's too intuitive and abstract to be put into words. Perhaps others will have more luck. Or perhaps it could be explained through symbolism.

[Chupi]

I *imagine* they're basically talking and talking, hoping to be heard and acknowledged, possibly while trying various things in the brain to see if it makes them come through clearer. Supposedly if they put a ton of effort into it, they can say something louder than what they're normally doing at the time. But mostly it's just about more and more talking slowly breaking through whatever is stopping the voice from reaching you.

 

> "Lyra, what is it like becoming vocal?"

> "Hard. Very hard."

That answer came through pretty faintly. I don't think she's ready to say anything much more involved on the topic.

[glitchthe3rd]

My personal theory is that mentalese is like a primary language to them, but in order to learn and speak English (or whatever your native language is) they must go about it in a similar way to how you would learn a foreign language. If you yourself speak a second language, it probably wouldn't be terribly difficult for them to look up the data from your subconscious and learn that way.

[NED]

I agree with Chupi (nice answer Chupi, it sums up my experience and maybe other peoples too), I also get very faint responses and the only clear things I can hear are extremely simple things like 'Yes', 'no' and humming and agreeing like 'mhmm'. I also get the gibberish too that seem to be random rubbish like swedish or something. I also did an Instant messaging way of communicating with her that made almost immediate results, however it was not all that brilliant; a very awkward conversation:

 

Me: Sup

Tulpa: Hello

Me: What do you want to talk about?

Tulpa: Nothing.

 

Ever since then, she can still talk in this way. Well, that is my experience, Chupis post was similar to my experience, so Chupi is right. Tulpae do seem to try their best to talk back, just beleive in yourself and in them and you will finish in no time.

[Chupi]

UPDATE: At least for Lyra, there doesn't seem to be much of the "trying various things in the brain to see if it makes them come through clearer" I mentioned. This morning, I got a more useful response from her on that question: "It's like driving a train." I asked her to elaborate, and she said "You just keep going, can't really steer." Continuing the train analogy, I just now asked her if the slow acceleration, high momentum part applies. "Mmm, kinda."

 

So it seems to be a frustrating process of just talking and talking, until slowly the host starts to hear you. There's not a whole lot the tulpa can do to accelerate it, apart of putting in more effort speaking "louder" to more quickly punch through whatever is blocking the hose from hearing the voice.

 

From what I've heard, a tulpa can also put in extraordinary effort to be heard loud and clear when before going through the normal way (like in an emergency), but it isn't permanent and continuing to speak like this requires the same high effort.

[Knapp]

... random rubbish like swedish or something.

 

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