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Tulpae from a Universal Consciousness


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A primitive tribe is found in the dense forests of South America. The tribe has never had contact with modern civilization. While the tribe is sleeping a battery operated radio with a clear plastic case is set into the middle of the village and is controlled by a researcher via a remote control electronic system.A satellite is used to monitor the tribes daily activity. When they awaken the researcher turns on the radio and the tribal members now hear a voice projected through the radio speakers.

 

Of course they are stunned by the event and have no comprehension of the technology involved. No matter how they approach the radio there is simply no way to see it connected to anything else. When looking at the inside via the clear plastic case they see wiring and components that make up a radio but nothing else. And yet they know that the voice they hear is coming from the radio therefore in terms of their primitive logic (based only on the forest they live in), the owner of the voice must be inside the radio.

 

Now... substitute the concept of a primitive tribe with a group of modern day neurologists studying the human brain. They know that as they prod and poke different responses occur and yet they cannot actually find those responses within the brain. All they ever find is the wiring and components that make up the brain. The neurologists know that the responses they measure are coming from inside the brain therefore in terms of their primitive logic (base only on modern day civilization), the owner of the responses must be inside the brain.

 

“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength, inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know it exists.” - Nikola Tesla

 

For millennia, diverse spiritual traditions have described in many different ways aspects of what could be called a universal, or collective, consciousness—a “shared ground of being” that encompasses everyone and everything. The psychologist Carl Jung postulated the existence of a “collective unconscious,” a concept that attempted to explain these and other subjective experiences, such as presentiment and synchronicity (for example, suddenly thinking of a long-lost friend and then the phone rings, with the friend on the other end of the line) or the existence of remarkably similar symbolism in ancient, isolated, or primitive cultures that had no prior contact with one another or the rest of the world.

 

In optics, the process of creating something (the projected color slide) involves taking something away. White light may be bright and beautiful in its own right, but you can't depict anything using just white light alone. A world in which everything is precisely and perfectly white would effectively be an invisible world... The esoteric traditions tell us that creation by subtraction is one of the fundamental truths underlying reality. These traditions teach that creation of the real (the manifest) involves subtraction from infinite potential.

 

If you think of the white light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited...

 

I also argue that individual consciousness comes about through this same process. Our minds are filtered from the universal consciousness. Our thoughts are filtered from the thoughts of the universal. When the preacher tells you that God is privey to your innermost thoughts and feelings, that is literally true -- although not in the way I suspect most preachers intend. Each of us is like one tiny dot of color on a slide of brilliant complexity -- and the universal consciousness is the white light of potential out of which we have emerged.

 

In his book, The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley tries to make sense of his experience with mescaline, a drug used for centuries by Indians of the Southwest and Mexico to induce spiritually significant altered states. Huxley's experience was profound in a way that transcends language. Being a meticulous observer and an articulate reporter, Huxley strives to describe how his sense perception and his perception of existence itself shifted during his experience. He is only partially successful, because he has, for a time, experienced a totally different reality that cannot properly be reduced to ordinary language.

 

Reductionists would take this as proof of the physiological influence of a chemical, and claim that Huxley's experience reinforces their view of consciousness as chemistry. Huxley sees a deeper significance. Citing the work of Cambridge philosopher C. D. Broad, he draws the conclusion that we are all potentially "Mind at Large," meaning that consciousness is literally unlimited, as indeed it would be if each individual were a manifestation of an infinite consciousness. Huxley explains that it is the function of the brain to filter out virtually everything other than immediate consensual reality. Rather than being a source of consciousness, as reductionists claim, the brain is thus a tool that extracts a finite drop of "reality" from the infinite sea of consciousness...

 

Just as creation can be viewed as a process of subtraction from the infinite rather than as an event in which something pops up out of nothing, your personal consciousness can be viewed as a brain-filtered remnant of the infinite consciousness rather than as a chemical creation of the brain. This, in fact, may provide a very natural explanation of certain psychic phenomena.

 

In Huxley's interpretation, mescaline simply puts a crack in your mental filter that allows perceptions that are normally excluded to flood in. Of course, this is not necessarily a good thing for everyday life. If this interpretation is true, your consciousness is limited and attenuated for very good reason -- to permit you to exist and function in ordinary reality. The danger, which is clearly evident in the world today, is that you mistake restricted consciousness and its attendant limited reality for a complete explanation. As a result, you completely misinterpret your own nature.

 

The view that consciousness arises out of material reality is fuzzy. In the broadest sense, it can accommodate the kind of ineffable consciousness I experience in myself. Yet I believe it fails in two important respects. If consciousness arises out of ordinary matter, it is really just a rather complex configuration of matter itself, and thus no different from the simple chemical interpretation, just a bit more florid and fuzzy in its articulation. On the other hand, to argue that a truly non-material consciousness evolves from matter itself is to argue for the same duality of matter and spirit that is posited in the spiritual view of consciousness. Of course, proponents of the mind-from-matter viewpoint are uncomfortable with the word "spirit", but that is nonetheless as good a word as any for the inferred trans-material consciousness it would imply.

 

Taken this way, the only difference from the mind-from-matter view and the spiritual view is that, in one, matter creates spirit; in the other, spirit creates matter. I believe this difference is resolved by the world of inner experience. My consciousness, my spirit, thinks and creates ideas and then actualizes them by acting upon the world of matter. But this is a two-way street. If my body is sick, my consciousness may be affected. Nor is there any doubt that the primary impulse for creativity comes from consciousness; that is where ideas originate. It is my contention that ideas created by a universal consciousness are the cause and basis of the physical world.

 

This, my friends, is where I believe tulpae arise from.

To me, they are not an addition to - or a partition of - your soul.

They are not a personification of a subconscious routine.

They are not an astral being manifest in your mental realm.

A tulpa is a welcome guest, a long-lost friend,

a conscious neighbor in the universe.

They come from the same essence as you,

even if that essence is not yet fully understood by science.

They act through matter, through your brain, the same way you do.

You are a tulpa. I am a tulpa.

The universe is powered by tulpae.

 

A Psycho-physical Bridge between Brain and Pan-experiential Quantum Geometry: http://goo.gl/Cl7iT

 

Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman on Discovery, Sixth Sense: http://goo.gl/YhGd4

 

Tesla’s Mind - A global consciousness: http://youtu.be/Wem77ozdBM4

 

John Hagelin, Ph.D, on consciousness:

 

Joe Rogan, What is Reality: http://youtu.be/w2xzIgdD_XA

 

WIRED interview with neuroscientist Christof Koch: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/11/christof-koch-panpsychism-consciousness/

WTB: Rare Tulpas

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And yet another enlightened tulpamancer. Collective consciousness is something i've always thought to be an awesome idea (whose actual truth could be seen for oneself if one were to dig deep enough, which i didn't - yet).

 

It certainly ain't easy to truly convince me of the truth of something; science is nothing but human attempts to understand reality, and i've always felt the mind held more power over matter than one would think. Because of that, whenever i feel the truth of something, well... i tend to trust that feeling more than if a thousand of people were to convince me of the contrary/the truth of something else. Truth, i feel, is fundamentally a personal journey, and not a game of logic or sheep following.

 

By now i'm fairly convinced that what we perceive as the "self" is little more of an illusion. And i do think tuppers come from something else entirely than my little ego. I think the brain holds way more than one would be led to believe - what i still need to find out is, well, the actual "connection", that makes said unconsciousness "collective". I might want to search that, someday. Peharps you've somehow found it, JD1215? Or is it just an idea that you happen to agree with? I wouldn't blame you either way, because it really is beautiful, and beautiful things are maybe more important than the real ones.

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I think the brain holds way more than one would be led to believe - what i still need to find out is, well, the actual "connection", that makes said unconsciousness "collective". I might want to search that, someday. Peharps you've somehow found it, JD1215? Or is it just an idea that you happen to agree with? I wouldn't blame you either way, because it really is beautiful, and beautiful things are maybe more important than the real ones.

 

I dunno, but there are proposed models of quantum consciousness that fit nicely into the picture. The first link in my post describes the Orch OR model proposed by mathematical physicist Roger Penrose and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff. I'd check it out, it's pretty intense stuff. "The conscious agent is Orch OR. It operates in microtubules within gamma-synchronized dendrites, generating e.g. 40 conscious moments per second. Each conscious moment, each occasion of experience, is, according to Penrose OR, an event or transition in spacetime geometry. Consciousness is a sequence of transitions, of ripples in fundamental spacetime geometry, connected to the brain through Orch OR."

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I feel like I've learned more from this post than I have in my 17 years of life, well done! This will definitely give me something to think about for the next forever.

My Tulpa

And then it cuts to a scene where you're sitting in a padded cell.

 

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I have a hard time believing you can create something from nothing, and I also never subscribed to the whole "You had your Tulpa inside you all along even before you knew what Tulpae where," school of thought, so I could believe this. I want to read the The Doors of Perception before I fully support this, but it certainly makes sense from what little I understand of it. Besides, who are we to argue with Nikola Tesla?

 

If the doors of perception were cleansed' date=' every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern.[/quote']
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This has been quite interesting. I'll reply with more once I get the time to read/watch all of the links (a bit busy right now.)

"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes

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Well dayum, this community is one of the most intellectual communities that i have ever seen or been a part of. That makes me sad, when i see that the minds of my peers are all closed behind the doors of the social stigma against smart asses.

 

However, your idea is a very good one. I myself have been thinking about how something can come from nothing, and its quite mind boggeling. But then what created the infinity that everything comes from? Perhaps nothing is infinity? It kinda makes sense, because nothing is something, and when you have infinite nothing you have a infinite something. What if the peak of the universe has been reached? That could be the cause of creation with subtraction.

 

I could go on and on, but its no use i have my Norwegian tentam tomorrow, so i kinda have to study. I love the feeling i get when thinking about stuff like this.

Ayo grill how you be?

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I dunno, but there are proposed models of quantum consciousness that fit nicely into the picture. The first link in my post describes the Orch OR model proposed by mathematical physicist Roger Penrose and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff. I'd check it out, it's pretty intense stuff. "The conscious agent is Orch OR. It operates in microtubules within gamma-synchronized dendrites, generating e.g. 40 conscious moments per second. Each conscious moment, each occasion of experience, is, according to Penrose OR, an event or transition in spacetime geometry. Consciousness is a sequence of transitions, of ripples in fundamental spacetime geometry, connected to the brain through Orch OR."

 

Do believe me, this shit sounds incredibly cool, but i can't for the life of me understand any of it. I probably would at least a bit if i studied physics, but yeah.

 

Also, *collective consciousness* means i'm going to post what introduced me to the concept in the first place, since it's very cool and (un?)related. Everyone lurking this post right now, feel free to ignore me and continue sipping your little girl tea in your little girl (real or imaginary) wonderland.

 

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9CXmEUwvgM

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I myself have been thinking about how something can come from nothing, and its quite mind boggeling. But then what created the infinity that everything comes from? Perhaps nothing is infinity?

 

Personally I have a hard time believing that there's an infinite amount of anything, whether it be this universe or a multiverse. But trying to quantify something like that seems pretty pointless to me.

 

The fact that there is something to be subtracted from, is a good discussion point though. What created all of this? I prefer to think that whatever makes up the source of all reality has always existed, and always will. And its existence at all can be justified by the paradox of nothingness.

 

Ideas are not concrete things but that does not mean they are not something. I can distinguish between a 9 which is an odd number and a square and an 8 which is an even number and not a square. They have different properties and are therefore things in their own right as concepts. But concepts seem to require a mind to exist. That is, they are contingent on an observer.

 

The example I use are stones and coins. I can hold 9 coins in one hand and 9 stones in the other but where is the number 9 apart from what I hold in my hand? I can sense no other property they have in common other than they are physical but changing the quantity doesn't seem to affect the physical characteristics of either group. So the number itself is not intrinsic to either group. I can understand the number 9 but I can not point to anything in nature and say this is the number 9 by itself. I can only think about it.

 

Nothingness is likewise a concept. After all, we are attempting to think about it now. But if it is a concept, then nothingness is not nothing. That is a paradox and in logic paradoxes can not exist. What happens when an irresistible force collides with an immovable object? An inconceivable event of course. Paradoxes must be dismissed as inconceivable and nothingness is a paradox, therefore I must conclude a "state of nothingness" can not exist. Just saying "non-existence exists" is absurd. The only way to avoid a paradox is to have a state of existence instead of non-existence.

 

Absolute nothingness is to my mind an impossibility. Absolute means just that. Absolute. No properties at all. Not even potential. That means it can not even be thought of as there would literally be nothing to think about (and no one to think it anyway). But, again, since we are thinking about it nothingness can not be absolute. Nothingness is the only thing we can think of in completely negative terms except for the fact it can be thought of.

 

So, something must exist in order to circumvent the paradox of nothingness. My guess is what has always existed and always will exist is some ineffable form of consciousness. The subjective nature of probability in the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics could be a good indicator that our universe really revolves around consciousness, specifically conscious observers subtracted from the collective. Something needs an observer to become concrete, and an observer likewise needs something to observe.

 

Obviously at this point we're boiling things down to philosophy. I could seriously rant on and on about things like this. It's topics like this that led me to becoming a pandeist. However, I have to get ready for work now. ._.

 

Do believe me, this shit sounds incredibly cool, but i can't for the life of me understand any of it. I probably would at least a bit if i studied physics, but yeah.

 

Believe me, I had to read that paper like five times and look up a slew of information before I even started to grasp it.

WTB: Rare Tulpas

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