Things to fix for the forums

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This forum should have a strong NO-FUN-ALLOWED policy were moderators aren't friendly and doesn't care about the cute feelings of us instead of the quality of the thread.

Also, I agree with short-time mutes and closed/deteled threads in case of rule-breaking without further justification or reason

Quality must be forced to appeal more neutral viewers because we can't make it ourselves

 

I don't really think that the way to make the forums attract new people and keep old members is to make them LESS friendly and accessible. Having standards of quality is all well and good, but making this the Glorious People's Republic of Tulpa.info isn't going to fix the drama problem. Well, it might, if everyone gets banned and the only activity on the forum is the occasional tumbleweed, but that's like trying to end war by wiping out the human race; effective, sure, but it's not like there's anybody around to benefit from it.

 

Honestly, there's no way to go for a "no BS" approach to tulpamancy, since it's pretty much entirely a subjective phenomena at this point. I mean, having some sort of filter for baseless claims is probably a good idea, but there's no way to prove anybody has a tulpa. I might not even be real, but you can't cut open Dracky's head to find out.

 

I think the biggest problem this board has is an ego problem. And I don't just mean Mistgod. People trying to "save" the forum by creating threads to call out other members for their perceived bad behavior doesn't help anything, either.

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't agree with Jake and Yuki that there are rule violations; maybe there are, but that's not the important thing. The rules are not constitution or scripture, they are the minimum that should be required of posters. What I level against Mistgod is a nebulous claim of 'etiquette violation', where etiquette are the higher, uncodified expectations of what should be posted. Sure, it's kind of subjective how far this goes, and what the etiquette really is. I'm not really here to answer those, just to point out that if you really want to have a discussion, it should be about that.

 

Maybe what I mean by 'etiquette' is really "What I want to see posted." I'm not trying to act entitled here, like everyone should post to my standards. And I'm not really suggesting that these should be moderated, either, in any form. Maybe the best I can do is really to make my own posts that meet my standards, and hope it raises the general standards that I like.

 

The problem with breaking rules of etiquette is that informal rules of etiquette can be extremely subjective. Etiquette is informal rules of conduct that are usually agreed to by consensus and enforced through informal sanctions such as ostracism. I believe that is precisely the point you are making however, that the rank and file members of the forum use rude ostracism as a weapon against those showing poor etiquette, as it is more effective that politeness.

 

I respectfully disagree with that idea. Your idea of what is a good and appropriate post is totally different from mine perhaps and also different from many others. So, let's say I post something about Melian's shoe collection. To me, it means something and maybe to many others it would be interesting that a thoughtform has an extensive shoe collection. To you (maybe, I don't know) it might be useless shit posting and blogging. To others maybe not. So you come into that thread and derail it with rudeness... because YOU personally don't like it.

 

I don't think that sort of response is good for the forum. It is destructive and disruptive and only causes conflict.

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I don't really think that the way to make the forums attract new people and keep old members is to make them LESS friendly and accessible. ....

 

I think the biggest problem this board has is an ego problem. And I don't just mean Mistgod. People trying to "save" the forum by creating threads to call out other members for their perceived bad behavior doesn't help anything, either.

 

Thank you. I agree with your entire post. :-)

[waffles]

The problem with breaking rules of etiquette is that informal rules of etiquette can be extremely subjective. Etiquette are informal rules of conduct that are usually agreed to by consensus

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Your idea of what is a good and appropriate post is totally different from mine perhaps and also different from many others.

 

Pretty much. You've kind of made my point for me, because, yeah, etiquette can be subjective. But then we agree it by consensus. What I said in my post was that if there was to be a discussion here, it would be about that. To at least come to some understanding of what's expected. Maybe it's kind of unrealistic, and maybe people's personal etiquettes are too divergent to come to any kind of conclusion. Like I said, I'm not sure that this is the best approach in general, just the best discussion to be having.

 

 

I believe that is precisely the point you are making however, that the rank and file members of the forum use rude ostracism as a weapon against those showing poor etiquette, as it is more effective that politeness.

 

No, I'm advocating for rudeness when making a point directly. I'm not really for or against ostracism.

 

So you come into that thread and derail it and are rude... because YOU personally don't like it.

 

As far as enforcing etiquette, I suggested in my post that the best way was to make posts that meet those standards myself. Again, I'm not really for or against what you're suggesting I do (I really don't; I tend to abstain from threads I don't like, and be rude in threads I think are wrong). But in the same breath, Jesus Christ stop whining about it. The human fucking tragedy if someone's rude to you. I already said why I'd rather people were more rude in general, so don't expect any sympathy from me.

 

Just lighten the fuck up about conflict. People love conflict and drama and disagreement. It's not bad if people get angry, it's not disastrous if names are mildly called or rude things are said. There's nothing going on right now that's threatening to split the community, or cause an actual feud, or whatever. It's not going to be destructive in the long run, especially if it takes place in FQ&C threads.

[sushi]

More staff would be nice, but yeah, I don't think it will really solve anything. Old members are bored because they've completed the process to their satisfaction and answered all the newbie questions. Newbies are driven away by hostility to more friendly communities like tulpa.io, and just come back here for the guides. Nobody posts anything new or interesting. PETT is a step in the right direction, but I think it's only really addressing one of those three problems.

[Guest Anonymous]

-"How fix the forum?"

We need more activity

-"How we get more activity?"

Is a fact that circlejerk and pointless drama scares new people, so we need to get rid of them

-"How we end circlejerk and pointless drama?"

We delete "Lounge" entirely

Nope, thats not a joke

 

Since people here seems they can't ignore things they don't like (like everywhere), we need to purge the source of those things entirely.

Lounge is an off topic board. Why a scientific-oriented forum should have a pointless section? There is a ton of places for you to discuss non-tulpa related things better than this place and if you just want fun, then go to the forum games.

Also, half of those thread easily fit in General Discussion because they are still tulpa-related

 

This forum should have a strong NO-FUN-ALLOWED policy were moderators aren't friendly and doesn't care about the cute feelings of us instead of the quality of the thread.

Also, I agree with short-time mutes and closed/deteled threads in case of rule-breaking without further justification or reason

Quality must be forced to appeal more neutral viewers because we can't make it ourselves

 

The problem with this idea is what do you deem "scientific?" Your are fantastic artist. What if your art on the forum is deemed unscientific and not serious? My thoughtform Melian designs dresses and does her own art as well. It is unscientific for her to discuss her fashion? Would it be interesting scientifically to know that tulpas have hobbies, interests and artistic skills? What if a tulpa writes poetry?

 

Are tulpas people or not? This communty says they are, but then treats them like scientific curiosities and mental exercises and not at all like people. Do we stop our investigation of tulpas at the point they become sentient, and then ignore all other aspects of tulpas from that point?

 

What is wrong with a little fun? How is that detrimental to a science board? I think scientists have a lot of fun. Remember Alan Shepard playing golf on the moon? The height of space exploration, walking on the moon, and he took some time to play golf.

 

The forum is full of people. Real people and people in the mind. It isn't just a tulpa creation guide and FAQ. If it is reduced to only that, it will be dull, lifeless and of much less value.

 

What's wrong with a post in the lounge that says Merry Christmas (or happy holidays or whatnot)?

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To Mistgod/Melian side: You don't have to agree with an argument, but at least acknowledge it. Don't just ignore something brought to your attention.

 

Huh? I have acknowledged everything waffles said. I just disagreed for valid reasons. I gave my reason. Why does everyone always say I am ignoring their points when I simply just don't agree with them? I don't agree! I disagree that blog posting in the lounge is the death of the forum. I don't agree that every post needs to be about the process of tulpa creation only. I believe we need to explore more broadly than that. The forum discussions are too narrow and there is more potential, yes scientifically, in not being too rigid.

[Pioneer11]

I don’t think that a thread that proposes improvements it’s a negative thing. This is not about Mistgod. That issue was closed days ago. But this discussion has made clear that we need to agree on the simple rule of not harassing other members.

 

Threads created for dissing another user, personal insults, and posts which derail the discussion to attack said user should be blocked and/or cancelled. So we need to agree to immediately report them instead of fueling the fire by answering them. It becomes an issue when good posts on here and on Mistgod’s Can we improve the forum? are buried by the hatestorm.

 

If the moderators are too few to manage the forum, are there any users who are willing to join them? That would resolve most of the problems.

 

Another thing that could help is to create a new section: a true Off Topic sub forum where people can actually discuss what they want. Posts that feels “empty” because they don’t relate to tulpas would find a home, and people would have a place to let off some steam. Or to simply make friends. Every single forum has it. As it is, the Lounge is cluttered because it doesn’t clearly specify which threads are to be considered superfluous. This would solve it.

[Pioneer11]

BUT, honestly, I thought that was what the lounge already was for. There seems to be confusion and disagreement about what the lounge board is for.

 

As I see it, the “Lounge” is for having casual conversation centered on Tulpas. Many people have expressed their dissatisfaction for threads considered too personal and posts that feels like a diary’s excerpt.

 

In a true “Off Topic” section, these would not bother anyone. And we could also talk about something other than Tulpas. For me this is the best solution. Otherwise there will always be users that will react negatively to threads perceived to be too, well, off topic.

[Guest Anonymous]

OH you mean a separate dedicated BULL SHIT lounge. LOL Yeah, again, I am for that! Oh what to name such a room of debauchery?

[NoneFromHell]

OH you mean a separate dedicated BULL SHIT lounge. LOL Yeah, again, I am for that! Oh what to name such a room of debauchery?

 

While we're on it we could create a battleground, where people could just let all the anger flow, so that they're are more relaxed in the regular spaces :D (I admit that would probably turn out very horrible)

[Pioneer11]

OH you mean a separate dedicated BULL SHIT lounge. LOL Yeah, again, I am for that! Oh what to name such a room of debauchery?

 

The Lounge should have "off-topic" deleted from its description. I too was confused at first when everyone still talked about Tulpas in the supposed casual conversation section.

 

Simply create a sub called "Off Topic" and specify that you can talk freely about whatever you wish. No more witch hunts.

 

The real question is: is this forum ready to implement a probable solution or are we just good enough at arguing over a problem? At least let’s try to resolve it.