Possession and astral projection

[n8_darksaber1111]

So I had a thought the other day and I wanted to see other people's opinions about it.I've been practicing astral projection for the past few day and I began to wonder if one's till a can also astral project. I haven't been able to get past the vibration stage so I don't know what to expect. Also did anyone else notice that plank from ed edd n' eddy is a tulpa. My mind blew when I realized that. XD

[Drakaina]

Depending on your beliefs on astral projection and the nature of tulpa's it may be possible for them to astral project. If you believe your tulpa has their own spiritual and astral body, then they should be able to project like you can. If you believe they're more of a construct of the brain though, it seems unlikely they'd be able to astral project, since they don't havr an astray form to project.

[solarchariot]

I am glad you asked, because I have been wondering the same. I have been astral projecting since childhood, and I intend to discover an answer to this. I am bias. I believe that tulpa are not psychological constructs, and therefore should have access to the same abilities, privileges?, that I have, and this belief may also influence my experience. I see my "wonderland" as a real place, that I have traveled to since childhood, and so, she is there, but I am not sure if that is a conclusive answer yet.

[n8_darksaber1111]

Have you tried asking her to project? Until I make it pass vibrational stage I can only give notions and theorys. It would be great being able to see one's tulpa as another person.although I'm also curious if they would have a silver cord connecting them to the hosts body or the hosts mind since theyer more psychological beings rather than physical.

[solarchariot]

:) Again, great questions. I am still in the beginning phases of tulpa creation, and have not seen the kind of advancement in terms of autonomy that the other here have arrived at. I have not noticed a silver cord, in either white creation space or the initial insertion point in the 'wonderland' which is kind of my established default, home base go to point if mental imagery gets too complicated. I'm a Reiki practitioner, and have been using that with her, and parroting/puppeting her with those so she can discern energy movement and have a skill set that I expect will surpass my own, due to her having greater access to unconscious aspects of the psyche. She has arrived in two spectacular dreams and seems autonomous, but since i lack lucidity and seemed to have been entrenched in a script, i did not ask. AP has tended to be random, not intentional, with the exception of traveling to the 'wonderland' but I assure you, it is my intent, and part of my daily mantra, that should i experience AP, I will call her and just see what happens. (I suspect that the 'wonderland' i experience is in the etheric because there are aspects of it that have not changed much with time, so i have sometimes consider an AP event, but then there have been times I have considered it just a psychological artifact, the kind of imagined place one might experience in a hypnotic induction... it's effects are real enough, as I have been hooked up to biofeed back machines and when i go there the body is peaceful, and because of that, i tend to not dwell too much on whether its real or imagined, because either way i benefit.) anyway, if it's a real, consistent esoteric place, like some of the temples people can visit, then in that environment i have not even noticed my own cord, but there have been many AP events where i've not noticed it, and so it might simply be about awareness. so not sure about that. :)

[n8_darksaber1111]

Hay, do you have any advice for ap? I've gotten to the point ware I feel like I'm really close to separating but somthing is holding me back I'm staying calm but my body keeps getting tense on its own (don't know if that's part of the process.) Feel myself floating up but that don't last long either.

[solarchariot]

Hay, do you have any advice for ap? I've gotten to the point ware I feel like I'm really close to separating but somthing is holding me back I'm staying calm but my body keeps getting tense on its own (don't know if that's part of the process.) Feel myself floating up but that don't last long either.

 

There is so much good, and fairly consistent AP methods, that I am not sure i can offer you anything new or unique that will give you instant results. One of the recommendations I generally make in my AP group is to avoid being 'result' or 'success' orientated. So, for example, if you're learning to relax or meditate, telling you to 'try harder' is not the way to go about the exercise. (I've given this advice so often that I am hearing myself give me the same advice to tulpa creating, lol. (Focus on experience, not results, and definitely not 'perceived' or 'expected' results.))

 

Fear can be a tremendous block to AP, and that's why the first AP event is usually a random experience, as opposed to an intentional one. Exploring your fears and why you want to AP may resolve that, because AP can be a life changing experience which may challenge core beliefs or unconscious beliefs and that too can be a block. If your body is getting tense, i would say you're moving away from your intended goal. (If you can find it at half price books or library, read "the relaxation response" by Herbert Benson.) Read everything you can on AP. It's a really old book, but it's spot on. Create a mantra, giving yourself permission to experience said phenomenon, but avoid using the word 'body' because sometime just saying body, or thinking body, brings you back to a body orientation. if in your allotted time to practice you feel yourself getting tense, take a break. but definitely don't beat yourself up. Every time you practice relaxation, you gain something.

[n8_darksaber1111]

I'll go look for it. Thanks. On another note, I've been watching more videos on Apr. Most people seem to believe that most of the negative entities one may encounter are the spiritual enbodyments of negative thoughts and that while they can be found in different plains they seem to mostly be found in one more than others. Like their own home plain. So you could be right about ones wonderland being a pain that your tulpa lives in. Curious as to whether or not someone other than you can travel there or if its only accessible to you alone being a manifestation of your mind only. Which would also in a way explain why religious people are the only ones who can experience their *heaven* (but with it being a collectively created afterlife, not just individually.)

[solarchariot]

... Curious as to whether or not someone other than you can travel there or if its only accessible to you alone...

 

Well, I am, too. (curious.) I have only this year revealed this place exists to others, (disregarding years of journal entries.) I gave the first invitation two weeks ago, kind of a thought experiment to a person I believe to have mastered AP. I have yet to hear any evidence from said person, and I have not noticed any changes. I suspect, from a metaphysical perspective, that even if it is a self contained and created environment, anyone with sufficient telepathic abilities, (including anyone that can AP since the main form of communication seems to be telepathy and empathy,) they would still experience, even if it is just in thought. Fairly speculative, but I may invite others to visit in the future, should anyone profess the ability to 'Travel.'

 

Another curious experiment I proposed to my friend is when they visit, do they see or otherwise experience 'Bliss.' If I get a report from an AP friend, I would find that remarkable, as well.

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As for possessions, I've been AP since childhood, and since have read a great deal of literature on the subject, and no one with experience seems to regard possession with any validity. There is consistent reports, including from all of the 'accepted' authors, that everyone leaves their body when they sleep, usually hovering over it as they dream, unaware, and if there is any validity to posssessions, when everyone dreams even if they say they don't remember it, but even that, everyone sleeps, and yet everyone pretty much wakes up and continue uninterrupted lives, well it kind of puts 'possessions' at the bottom of the worry list. Basically, statistically speaking, 'possession' is absurdly rare if you accept the premise that everyone disengages from their body. Which means, there is another factor all together. (Umm, wonder if possessions are from tuplas that went bad? LOL)

 

And yes, most literature, and many of the youtube videos, agree that any fear or negativity promotes fearful or negative experiences. I can certainly give a personal example of this. Most of my AP experiences I skipped Sleep Paralysis and went right to AP. The first time i experienced SP, I panicked, fought to 'wake up,' and felt as if I was being held. Subsequent SP events were equally terrifying, and consequently, i began trying to avoid AP. It was only wen I changed my 'narrative' and understanding of SP, did the experience change. Over time, I cultivated the idea that SP was pleasant, and the more i ran that affirmation, the more pleasant SP became, so much so, that again, I stopped having AP for a while because SP became so enticing that I wanted to remain in that state. (Like when you first start lucid dreaming, it's all play in the beginning. (And that's not bad; all creatures play, and that's how we learn to do things.))

 

There also seems to be consistency that there is a continuum and that consciousness rises or falls according to its energy state, and so negative malicious folks tend to sink to 'lower planes' and positive kind folks tend to rise to 'higher planes.' I like comparing it to the visible spectrum. All the colors of the rainbow exist, simultaneously, in white light. An entity that lives in red will never touch or interact with any entity in violet. Now, it may interact with an entity in orange, maybe even raise it's energy state to become orange, and possibly may eventually become indigo, but red still doesn't shake hands with indigo. White light is love, but it only exists because all the colors of the spectrum exists. that thought alone helped get me back to AP during my SP absence, because I no longer see 'evil' per say, as much as just folks in their own way, and since I'm neither interested in the drama or engaging, they tend to just go away if they're not compatible. (Another example of this, I intentionally chose not to have or create weapons in LD. I love the look and feel of light sabers, but every time I have had one, I have had to use it. Very basic Buddhist principle here: if you want peace, you cultivate peace, and brandishing cool weapons is not a symbol for peace.) Following that line of thinking, I also became aware that every time I have faced something fearful head on, in a dream, in an esoteric state like AP, the scary thing morphs into something friendly. It's as if fearful things are merely the gatekeepers to make sure only the worthy get entry. Or, from this side of the light, we see these really big awful shadowy things, but if you push past that you discover, oh, it's just trees standing in the light, and the shadows become less scary.

 

I hope that's useful for arresting or diminishing your concerns and fears.

[n8_darksaber1111]

Interesting that you made so enjoyable. I used to go thru it every day sometimes as much as three time a day. This went on for three months. Never seen shadow people though. Well not till last week. I ended up becoming addicted to it in a sence, always wanting to reexperience it . maybe if you want someone to enter you wonderland they need to be the same wave length as you. Or maybe you can build a wonderland with them while ap. Maybe use it as a bridge of sorts for your tulpa to travel from one person to another. I'm going to try doing this when I'm able but if you try it before me let me know what the results are.

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Another notion. What if our mind's/subconscious wave length is different from our astral's wave? What if, in order for someone to.enter your wonderland they need to mach their minds wave with yours like in the game *the evil within* the boy's mind was the same frequency as ruvic's thus ruvic could control him. Its a long shot but I think, maybe, possible.....

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Another notion. What if our mind's/subconscious wave length is different from our astral's wave? What if, in order for someone to.enter your wonderland they need to mach their minds wave with yours like in the game *the evil within* the boy's mind was the same frequency as ruvic's thus ruvic could control him. Its a long shot but I think, maybe, possible.....