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The Red Book (Liber Novus)

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I am going to use this thread to post notes and interesting bits from the Liber Novus and its Translation notes/forward/prelude/ect.

 

Eventually I plan to write an article on the subject. Use this thread to discuss anything Liber Novus related.

 

If you don't know what it is, read these pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Novus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_imagination#Jung

 

What is being described sounds really familiar doesn't it?

 

Right now I am under the assumption that Carl Jung, father of modern psychology, learned everything he knows from experiences in his wonderlands with his Tulpae. What a Twist, huh?

 

 

"The chapters follow a particular

format: they begin with the exposition of dramatic visual fantasies.

In them Jung encounters a series of figures in various settings

and enters into conversation with them. He is confronted

with unexpected happenings and shocking statements. He then

attempts to understand what had transpired, and to formulate

the significance of these events and statements into general psychological

conceptions and maxims. Jung held that the significance

of these fantasies was due to the fact that they stemmed from the

mythopoeic imagination which was missing in the present rational

age."

 

 

"Liber N ovus thus presents a series of active imaginations together

with Jung's attempt to understand their significance. This work of

understanding encompasses a number of interlinked threads: an

attempt to understand himself and to integrate and develop the

various components of his personality; an attempt to understand

the structure of the human personality in general; an attempt to

understand the relation of the individual to present-day society

and to the community of the dead; an attempt to understand the

psychological and historical effects of Christianity; and an attempt

to grasp the future religious development of the West. Jung

discusses many other themes in the work, including the nature of

self-knowledge; the nature of the soul; the relations of thinking

and feeling and the psychological types; the relation of inner

and outer masculinity and femininity; the uniting of opposites;

solitude; the value of scholarship and learning; the status of science;

the significance of symbols and how they are to be understood;

the meaning of the war; madness, divine madness, and psychiatry;

how the Imitation of Christ is to be understood today; the death

of God; the historical significance of Nietzsche; and the relation

of magic and reason.

The overall theme of the book is how Jung regains his soul

and overcomes the contemporary malaise of spiritual alienation.

This is ultimately achieved through enabling the rebirth of a new

image of God in his soul and developing a new worldview in the

form of a psychological and theological cosmology. Liber N ovus

presents the prototype of Jung's conception of the individuation

process, which he held to be the universal form of individual

psychological development."

 

 

More to come guys.


Carl Jung goes into a forcing session to speak with his 'soul' as he calls it at this point, which wouldn't let him sleep.

 

[i:J I feel that I must speak to you. Why do you not let me

sleep, as I am tired? I feel that the disturbance comes from

you. What induces you to keep me awake?

[soul:J Now is no time to sleep, but you should be awake

and prepare important matters in nocturnal work

The great work begins.

[i:J What great work?

[soul:J The work that should now be undertal(en. It is a

great and difficult work There is no time to sleep, if you

find no time during the day to relnain in the work

[i:] But I had no idea that something of this kind was

talcing place.

[soul:J But you could have told by the fact that I have

been disturbing your sleep for a long time: You have been

too unconscious for a long time. Now you must go to a

higher level of consciousness.

[i:] I am ready: What is it? Speald

[soul:] You should listen: to no longer be a Christian is

easy: But what next? For more is yet to come. Everything

is waiting for you. And you? You remain silent and have

nothing to say: But you should speak. Why have you

received the revelation? You should not hide it. You

concern yourself with the form? Is the form important,

when it is a matter of revelation?

[i:J But you are not thinlcing that I should publish what I

have written? That would be a misfortune. And who would

understand it?

[sou!:J No, listen! You should not break up a

marriage, namely the marriage with me, no person

should supplant me ... I want to rule alone.

[i:J SO you want to rule? From whence do you take

the right for such a presumption?

[soul:J This right comes to me because I serve you

and your calling. I could just as well say, you came first,

but above all your calling comes first.

[i:J But what is my calling?

[sou!:J The new religion and its proclamation.

[i:J Oh God, how should I do this?

[soul:] Do not be of such little faith. No one knows

it as you do. There is no one who could say it as well

as you could.

[i:J But who knows, if you are not lying?

[sou!:J Ask yourself if I am lying. I speak the truth.

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HOLY SHIT this is an epic quote:

But the supreme meaning is the path, the way and the bridge to what is to

come. That is the God yet to come. It is not the coming God himself but his

image which appears in the supreme meaning. God is an image, and those

who worship him must worship him in the images of the supreme meaning.

The supreme meaning is not a meaning and not an absurdity, it is image

and force in one, magnificence and force together.

The supreme meaning is the beginning and the end. It is the bridge of going

across and fulfillment.

The other Gods died of their temporality, yet the supreme meaning never

dies, it turns into meaning and then into absurdity, and out of the fire and

blood of their collision the supreme meaning rises up rejuvenated anew.

The image of God has a shadow. The supreme meaning is real and casts a

shadow. For what can be actual and corporeal and have no shadow?

The shadow is nonsense. It lacks force and has no continued existence

through itself. But nonsense is the inseparable and undying brother of the

supreme meaning.

Like plants, so men also grow, some in the light, others in the shadows.

There are many who need the shadows and not the light.

The image of God throws a shadow that is just as great as itself.

The supreme meaning is great and small it is as wide as the space of the

starry Heaven and as narrow as the cell of the living body.


I worked on this book for 16 years. My acquaintance with alchemy in

1930 took me away from it. The beginning of the end came in 1928, when

Wilhelm sent me the text of the "Golden Flower," an alchemical treatise.

There the contents of this book, found their way into actuality and I could

no longer continue working on it. To the superficial observer, it will appear

like madness. It would also have developed into one, had I not been able

to absorb the overpowering force of the original experiences. With the

help of alchemy, I could finally arrange them into a whole. I always knew

that these experiences contained something precious, and therefore I

knew of nothing better than to write them down in a "precious," that is to

say, costly book and to paint the images that emerged through reliving it

all-as well as I could. I knew how frightfully inadequate this undertaking

was, but despite much work and many distractions I remained true to it,

even if another / possibility never ...

 

It appears he medicated himself off of wonderlands and Tulpae with the aid of 'alchemy' and never finished his work. There is a lot written down. His wonderland and imagination is Glitchthe3rd level crazy, and it was very religious in nature and content. He was afraid it would drive him insane, which is why he ditched it all. Carl Jung never finished his work and died 2 years later. It is quite a grand tale, and much of it is him going from place to place within his wonderland, encountering, and talking to the beings there. While it is unclear if any of these beings became a full fledged Tulpa as we describe it, one of the thought-forms known as Philemon appears to have come extremely close.

 

The Red Book is a Huge Boon for us. With it, we can get some credibility that what we are doing has already been documented in the past by one of the most prestigious founders of psychology itself as the primary method through which he deduced his key works.

 

He did pull out of it all in the end though, in fear of his mental state, however, he also had Glitch level experiences, which we know is not the norm, and even when it does occur, it still will not effect the 'real world'. I will come back and start posting more interesting excerpts when I go back to reading it as opposed to the skimming I just did.

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My friends? The father of modern psychology had a tulpa. Goldsmith, you MUST write an article on this when you get some time.

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>that feel when you're being compared to Carl Jung

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And yes, any background literature on tulpaforcing that we can get right now is going to be helpful. Mainly because there are no legit, peer-reviewed studies on this yet.


"Science isn't about why, science is about why not?" -Cave Johnson

Tulpae: Luna, Elise, Naomi

My progress report

 

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It's speculation though, nothing super concrete.


I flatly refuse to believe the relationship between you and your tulpa has developed so far that you are willing to have sex, especially since you have only known this person for two weeks. Give it a month, at the very least; It's important your tulpa develops properly.

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My friends? The father of modern psychology had a tulpa. Goldsmith, you MUST write an article on this when you get some time.

Freud had a tulpa?

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Freud had a tulpa?

 

Fine, fine.. The son of modern psychology...

 

Also:

21:43 <+Goldsmith> From what I read in the red book, Jungs mental world ... had villages worth of thought forms ... and wars ... and people starving to death

This means either Carl Jung was a roleplayer, or maybe some of the accused roleplayers on here (I can think of two in particular) may actually have some merit to their experiences.

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[sou!:J No, listen! You should not break up a

marriage, namely the marriage with me, no person

should supplant me ... I want to rule alone.

[i:J SO you want to rule? From whence do you take

the right for such a presumption?

[soul:J This right comes to me because I serve you

and your calling. I could just as well say, you came first,

but above all your calling comes first.

 

I interpret this as the Soul (a tulpa?) wanting to switch places with Jung's consciousness. Or destroy it outright.

 

Highly summarized interpretation, but still.

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This means either Carl Jung was a roleplayer, or maybe some of the accused roleplayers on here (I can think of two in particular) may actually have some merit to their experiences.

 

Jung was doing this for years, and he was on drugs.

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