New Tulpa- Personality came first

[FigN01]

I'm rather new to tulpae as a concept- I only heard about them yesterday in fact, but I got interested almost immediately. Here's why-

 

Two years ago I watched this TED talk on creativity. The speaker brings up the idea of artistic inspiration and how in ancient Rome artists used to have been understood to have divine spirits called geniuses that guide their hand in works they produce. Go watch the video for more on that. Anyway, being a visual artist myself, I wondered what my genius would look like, so I drew what's essentially a culmination of the subject matter I enjoy making into one character. That's the guy shown on the bottom right of my sketchbook page. I've drawn this character enough that I've honed down the form very concretely and really identify with him.

 

So I hear about tulpae, and the first thing I want to do is conjure my muse as one. But, oddly, what I imagined first was not the image, but the voice. His personality immediately jumped out without much practice and without a body that has any lasting presence. I can imagine him being in the room and talking (he's very talkative actually), but I can't actually see him yet. I'm surprised this has happened so suddenly for me, but honestly, these conversations feel very natural and more or less independent of my own thoughts. One of the first things he wanted, for example, was a slightly neglected desire of mine to go outside in my local woods which I indulged and might not have except for making him.

 

So I'm trying to focus on building the body up from what I've drawn but the process is slow. Has anyone else had this experience? Is there any advice you'd give as well?

[Phi]

The only advice I can give is to keep working on it. Don't try to visualize it all at once, but instead do each part individually, then add more to it once you feel comfortable with what you have. In other words, for example, get the feet down then move on to the legs, then put them both together, then do the torso... until you can clearly visualize the whole body in a variety of postures.

[Guest Anonymous]

what I imagined first was not the image, but the voice. His personality immediately jumped out without much practice and without a body that has any lasting presence. I can imagine him being in the room and talking (he's very talkative actually), but I can't actually see him yet.

 

That doesn't sound right. If you just started 2 days ago, you could've only done about 6 hours. I don't know about your mental strength, but most get a response in the time frame of 20-60 hours from what I've heard. So you most likely aren't actually getting a response, but instead are parroting him. This is BAD.

 

For various reasons, I'm calling this legit, but I have a troll feel about this.

[FigN01]

Rustler706-

There's really no way I can prove it to you. All I can say is that it feels legit and I have no reason to lie about it, other than having no life of course; but I do have a life and I'd rather not spend it pretending to have a Tulpa online. I'd rather have the real thing. Mostly, I'm still wondering to what extent it's my own imagination talking or not, but I'm willing to chalk it up to parroting. It's hard for me to tell the distinction from being new to this.

 

Having two years of thinking about and drawing the construct in my sketchbook most definitely has made the start of this easier for me. My thinking is normally very scattered as well, so imparting my own thoughts onto another construct feels natural. It feels like I've had this other line of thought going on internally for a long time and that putting it in the shoes of someone else makes me believe more that it's real. Kind of like an extension of myself that I can try to shape into another entity.

 

Anyway, what I do know is that it's been helping me to focus more on drawing by 'telling' me to get off my computer and put pencil to paper. It is a muse after all. However developed it might be at this point, I want to improve it.

[Pleeb]

In regards to parroting/early responses: I would actually check out the comments in this topic, esp the ones coming from FAQ Man. The OP in that post had a lot of interaction with his tulpa during the very first session, but there's a good chance he was parroting, even if he didn't know he was doing so.

 

I have no issues with personality coming first, and actually, I have personality coming first for me -- no form in mind whatsoever. My tulpa isn't sentient (and I won't know if it is until I get emotional/vocal responses, since I can't view any facial expressions); but once it is, I plan on working on a form afterwards, with its active input.

[FigN01]

Thanks, that thread really does help a lot. I suppose I'm not as close as I thought I was, but what can I say? Parroting felt novel in itself.

 

At the very least, can say that creating a tulpa feels natural and that I've made good progress for the first few times. I'll just be careful about imparting actual sentience.

[Bluesleeve]

Hello Fig, welcome to our forums!

 

What you currently experience is similar to what writers experience. You have your visual form pretty much fleshed out and since you are an artist you won't have any problems imagining and creating the rest.

 

If it feels right, it is right. There is no right or wrong method, except from the goal of making yourself believe that there is another personality. Artists have had imaginary friends in the past and you might become one of these artists today.

 

You might want to check out my blog on this topic, where I have mentioned this phenomenon.

 

Www.whatisatulpa.tumblr.com

 

Tl;dr: Legit in my eyes. Continue to do so and report in from time to time!

 

 

Good luck!

[FigN01]

Thanks again. I'll try to use a combination of methods I've read and what just feels natural to me, and hopefully something will pan out. I'd like to read some stories about when other peoples' tulpas first developed a physical presence because I'm not too sure about when and how I'll be able to see mine. Imagining details is easy for me, but bringing it into existence is not. Can anyone link me to some example stories?

 

On a slightly unrelated note, I'm kind of impressed by the population of bronies around here. I'm not complaining of course- I am one myself, but I suppose getting a pony tulpa is popular (if I'm correct in assuming that's what many of you are making).

[Bluesleeve]

Indeed Fig, /mlp/ is the most open-minded board 4chan ever had. (And probably the one with the most desperate users)

 

Blasphemy at /x/ and /sci/; /co/, /a/ and /v/ are probably not buying all of this.

[FigN01]

I'm going to keep my personal milestones/developments contained in this thread to avoid flooding the forum with too many posts about myself. I thought this was worth reporting though:

 

I've done probably a total of 10 hours' worth of tulpaforcing over the past few days, and I've been a bit concerned that at least some of what I've been imagining lately has been parroting, until last night. I was laying in bed having some negative/depressing thoughts unrelated to tulpas. Before those thoughts could get anywhere, though, I got the impression of a pressure against my side and a thought that just seemed to pass through my mind saying "It's alright". All those negative feelings just melted away immediately. I can't say how much of what I've been experiencing lately has been parroting, but that felt extraordinarily sentient and really comforting regardless, so I'd wager I'm headed in the right direction with a budding personality.

 

Outside of that, in my regular sessions, I think my tulpa has told me that above anything else, he wants me to be able to see him, and believes that when I do have a visual in front of me, that I'll be able to impart personality more easily. I feel like that suggestion isn't my own parroting, but it's hard to say because it still feels early according to the guides. I want to do it, but I'm still skeptical about how developed the personality actually is to make it work. Any suggestions on where to go next?