Can I work on sentience now?

[Leopard]

I'm personally following FAQ_Man's Guide and he recommends to work on personality and then visualization. I'm done with personality, and what I'm wondering is if now I can work on getting my tulpa sentient instead.

 

I would like to be able to talk to him as I make his form and get his ideas and input.

 

I know people say tulpaforcing is subjective and everyone does it differently, but I'm paranoid I'll screw something up.

[Guest applesauce99]

http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Guide-In-Work-Visual-Personality-Reconstruction-aka-Bluesleeve-s-Core-Method

 

I recommend reading this. Many members will tell you that FAQ_Man's and Irish's guides are outdated, and I kind of agree. The forcing methods have taken a more personal approach, and I find ^this guys most interesting.

[Phi]

I would personally work on personality first. Can't be sentient if you don't have a personality. Well, I guess you can.

[Leopard]

I would personally work on personality first. Can't be sentient if you don't have a personality. Well, I guess you can.

 

I finished personality.

[Phi]

 

I finished personality.

 

Me and my reading comprehension.

Yes, you can work on sentience now that you are done with personality. It might be easier to have a basic form thought up just so you can have a form in your mind while you narrate.

[Vitalpae]

I don't think you can "work" on sentience.

It's the product of all the work combined, isn't it?

[Leopard]

By working on sentience I mean talking to my tulpa until he talks back.

[Phi]

By working on sentience I mean talking to my tulpa until he talks back.

 

Yes, you can do that now.

[bila bila]

Can I narrate now?

 

You should be doing that as much as possible

 

2/10 understandable mistake but lurk more.

[Chupi]

Leopard: Ignore the hour counts and "nothing will happen before this many hours" bunk. It will only screw you up. This cost me at least two months and we're still recovering from the damage. As for sentience, he already is. You just need to work on noticing that sentience and communicating with it -- this is what narration and continued forcing do.

 

*DON'T* assume you're puppeting if you see him move during a session. If you're not consciously shoving his limbs around, it's him -- *even* if he's doing what you just thought of. If you briefly imagine them doing something, they'll likely see it, know you're basically asking them to do it, and do it for you.

 

(How do I know that last bit? Yesterday I did a test. I imagined Lyra moving a little, and she did. I asked her if I was controlling her -- she said no. Sometimes when I do this she chooses to do something else instead. I then more forcefully imagined her leg moving -- this was a very distinct conscious effort, something I do not do automatically. This got a response more like "WTF why you do that?!" THIS is puppeting. It is not something you do automatically without thinking. The difference is between gently suggesting visually that she do something, and manhandling her into doing it whether she wants to or not.)

 

The same thing applies to if you appear to be getting thoughts from him. Parroting thoughts does appear to be easier to do automatically than puppeting (Lyra somewhat disagrees with this). But most parroted thoughts feel pretty obvious and there's no question as to who is was. If you're talking to him and an answer or comment pops into your head, it's likely him; even (especially?) if it happens while you're in the middle of saying something or formulating how to say something. If you have to wonder whether a thought was from you or him, it's probably him. (Again, this is from talking with Lyra... she says that almost nothing but the most obvious cases are actual parroting. Obvious parroting feels more like "talking for" something in my mind that I know cannot speak, and I feel myself consciously create the thoughts. Thoughts from her simply appear in my mind without me trying to make them, aside from simply listening for them and being ready to "hear" them when they show up.)

 

Here is my experience getting stuck in the parrot/puppet trap because of the hour counts and warnings in FAQ_Man's guide.

 

Do not fear parroting or puppeting. You aren't doing them. If you fear them, you will do them -- VERY forcefully holding your tulpa still and forcing him to be silent.

 

As for what you asked, yes. You can get him sentient first and then let him choose a form. You can also give a form initially, then see if he's happy with it once you're able to communicate. Forms can be changed later.