Creating a tulpa that's truly rational - not that typical conformist Reddit type - is it possible?

[Lenore]

2 hours ago, xprincess said:

Did either of you two ever have a major disagreement with the host that resulted in a genuine shift of his opinions on something important?

 

Yes. I guess it depends on what you think constitutes important topics and major disagreements, but I've changed my host's mind plenty of times. A few examples that came to mind were:

1. I helped my host realize they were non-binary after numerous discussions about gender and femininity.
2. Host originally had a system-wide "no religion" rule due to religious trauma. I convinced them that their faith in tulpamancy is no different from other people's faith in religion. They rescinded the rule and allowed me to begin exploring neopaganism.
3. Host has issues with social anxiety and rejection sensitivity. Most advice on dealing with those feelings emphasizes discomfort tolerance. My host argued that they shouldn't have to tolerate discomfort; they should be able to make the discomfort go away. I argued that emotional pain is really no different from the physical discomfort we tolerate every day from chronic health issues. I basically told them they need to suck it up, in nicer terms, and they conceded I was right.

Is that the sort of thing you had in mind?

[Ranger]

6 hours ago, xprincess said:

I'm not, which makes it seem like a non-option

 

Depending on your situation, you may have some options. Some therapists can offer financial forgiveness and lower costs, you would just have to ask them up front. Some therapists will also accept barter as a form of payment.

 

There are also DBT self-help resources free online. You may have to click around a bit, but you can at least start with some basic emotional awareness practice and mindfulness training (also useful for other applications too)

 

At the very least, you may want to look into reading about logical fallacies. People use things like "circular logic"/"begging the question" and "strawman" more than you may realize when arguing. Also look up manipulation tactics and gaslighting- these are strategies hurtful people use to delude and manipulate others. Even if emotionally you're not ready to embrace something, you can at least start to protect yourself from misinformation and deception.

 

6 hours ago, xprincess said:

Because reddit, specifically its political side, is the exact thing I am working hard to avoid becoming. It resembles a hypocritical cult. It claims it has free speech, but only provided you aren't labelled a "nazi," a "bigot," or a "conservative," as those people are considered objectively wrong. We fucking love science, but not when dealing with bell curves, gas residue, or crime/employment/suicide statistics

 

There's a factual error here, but I'm going to not bother with that and focus on the emotional part-

 

Being rejected hurts. Whether you're in the right or in the wrong, being cast out and banned hurts. It's also frustrating if you lack the emotional tools to process what other people are saying, or have trauma weighing you down making a situation too triggering to think logically about.

 

...I have the feeling you were called those things before. And you mentioning free speech, that's a political point I hear too often. There is a lot of work you have ahead of yourself. There is always more nuance to these situations, but I'm not going to apologize for you if you said something actually racist/LGBTQ+phobic/sexist/etc.

 

But I appreciate you being interested in changing yourself for the better.

 

I personally am not ready to give empathy to everyone- we still have a lot of internalized self-hatred, and we see the parts of ourselves we hate in others. We're just in a much better place than we were a long time ago.

 

6 hours ago, xprincess said:

How frequently do you switch with the host? Switching should boost 'development' pretty hard. You allocate almost your whole brain to the tulpa. People pointed up there it's a difficult task... yet maybe if you push hard "switchmaxxing," the tulpa can win at least a few fights

 

That's... not how this works. Even from what I studied from wonderland switching and experimented with parallel processing, you can't just magically turn off the unconscious parts of your headmate. With even our sensory switching experience, Gray can go inactive and I can basically be alone in the body. But regardless of how we switch, Gray is still there in the brain, and is actively doing things unconsciously still. Not in a "writing poems in wonderland" way, it's more like I may look at something and our brain sometimes simulates how Gray would react to that reaponse. Or if some of his of his alter parts are triggered, their theme song could automatically play in our head (no seriously...).

 

Even if we learned wonderland switching, Gray already has some unconscious parts in parallel that could mess with me if I tried to do anything stupid. My "total control" of the brain could go from 100 to 0 in an instant.

 

All of this assuming we resolved our trauma, which we didn't yet. Gray's oldest trauma parts know our brain better than anyone else. And that has lead to a lot of "fun" problems of our brain function being thrown on halt because a trauma part wants attention or to hide something. But in this case, hard to take complete control of a fortress when you don't even have the map of half the rooms in it, let alone the whole dang thing.

 

A note for anyone reading this trying to learn switching, none of what I just said is really useful information. I'm applying my switching and parallel processing knowledge to a hypothetical situation I never thought about before. Even if you want to learn more about wonderland switching, I would rather ramble about what I know on parallel processing in general first.

Edited April 20 by Ranger

[Nightfall]

On 4/20/2026 at 11:34 AM, xprincess said:

Did either of you two ever have a major disagreement with the host that resulted in a genuine shift of his opinions on something important?

 

Jezebel: Hmmm, not to my knowledge. Typically, I argue to make him do things he knows he should do. I suppose I have been successful a few times with that. 

 

I suppose the things that fit closest to what you want is when we (it is usually a group effort) help Nightfall realize things that were unknown to him. Like, what seems to be the true reason he does things. I will not air his private thought for something like this though. 

[KarlYoshimura]

@xprincess I think what you have in mind and what you set out to accomplish is fascinating. My own tulpa has a strong inclination towards heuristics, and while neither of us are perfectly logical people we ascertain the world around us in ways that shape and perfect one another in tandem.

I think the largest bottleneck is that tulpas may want to appease the host for attention (or more naturally derived forms of symbiosis) but ultimately deviate in ways that not only reflect their preferences but also cement their presence in significant and meaningful ways.

I'll give you an example: when my tulpa was very young, each day I would review what I was taught to appraise as model behaviour. She was too young to speak, but she considered the experience formative as it gave her due consideration of ethics and protocol. However, once she had turned two, this and other input had caused her to reject formality and euphemism and embrace brutal honesty and grit. She tells me that although she grew to be very different in disposition, she internalised the moral compass I had endowed her with and embellished upon it. To put it simply, we share inextricably linked roots but ended up branching far apart.

Would I write that she limited my cognition? Far from it. If you think creating and raising a tulpa is worth the effort and are willing to entertain independent thought, you'll be pleasantly surprised.