Using dogs or other animals to detect tulpas?

[atomcrusader]

Relevant video excerpt available on

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EDIT: this is in no way associating tulpa creation with DID. I would simply like to point out some empirical similarities from an observer's point of view, coupled with what I've read about tulpas and creators myself.

 

This is part of an intriguing documentary on people diagnosed with MPD (or, DID, as the recent medical community seems to gravitate toward the use of such a term.) What struck me the most was the part about John, the police officer who lived a perfect professional life even with multiple alter personalities. (Link above.)

 

1) He knows them by name, and most of them know about him. They take over when the situation calls for each's special talent, and seem content to fit in the system. (He had one or two personalities that guarded the childhood trauma giving rise to the alter-personalities, but he could not access them before treatment, apparently.) Regrettably, we cannot tell if John was able to interact with the "benign" personalities in any way similar to how we interact with our tulpas.

 

2) (and this is the most impressive part) His guard dog is able to immediately recognize the current active personality, as evident in the video segment.

 

Now, I have read a few anecdotes of dogs reacting to tulpas during switching. If anything, this will be the closest we have come to an objective verification that a tulpa legitimately exists as a measurable phenomenon (albeit through dogs, but hey, we use dogs for finding explosives too!)

 

Any thoughts on this? I'd be curious to see how prevalent this phenomenon is among the tulpamancers! ^_^

[motorheadlk]

Now, I almost told you to fuck off politely and go to the metaphysical board. You should seriously consider to rename this thread.

 

About the thread, the way the dog should perceive if someone else is in the body isn't the same as a wife could tell her fiance is different? I mean, most people wouldn't think "Man, what the fuck is possessing my friend", but many would see that they are different, and if a person tell that said person has DID to someone, this someone could most likely tell the difference between the person and his tulpa. It's a paradigm, once you think it's possible, you will perceive when someone is in control and when someone else is.

 

A dog will not "detect" a tulpa by his scent or by some "energy-crystal-spiritual-ghost" thing, he will only see the difference on the way he moves, acts and speaks. This would, of course, not be different from a dog seeing if the person in control is a different personality or a tulpa. For the dog, there would be no difference. The question is how to differenciate between a personality disorder and a tulpa, and for now, we can't do it. If you have a suggestion, I would recommend for you to go to the thread "Proof of Tulpae", as this is a really debated subject. There is even a movie about people with did, and a person that was able to change the personality in control at will, and this person went to a MRI machine to show what happens in the brainscan. The thing is really interesting, yet this only goes to say that we don't know how to prove tulpae yet.

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Into the meta shithole this goes.

 

Read the thing first.

[Guest]

I did.

 

I cannot count on dogs.

[motorheadlk]

I did.

 

I cannot count on dogs.

 

 

Well, it did go to the metaphysical board. Now it's my time to fuck off.

[atomcrusader]

Ah this is regrettable. I do not subscribe to a metaphysical point of view myself. I did not think the post would be received this way. Sorry about that!

 

I also do not have any antagonism toward the metaphysical school of belief. I do not believe dogs can see and perceive tulpas in any concrete sense. Rather I am hypothesizing that dogs might be able to assist their owners in showing the change in the active consciousness.

[motorheadlk]

Ah this is regrettable. I do not subscribe to a metaphysical point of view myself. I did not think the post would be received this way. Sorry about that!

 

I also do not have any antagonism toward the metaphysical school of belief. I do not believe dogs can see and perceive tulpas in any concrete sense. Rather I am hypothesizing that dogs might be able to assist their owners in showing the change in the active consciousness.

 

Hah, told you Fede.

[Xantan]

Reminds me of oguigi's new video post where she revelas her existence to koomer's brother. After learning that those small differences were not his imagination, he quickly became adept at noticing the difference between koomer and oguigi.

[BlackStatic]

Ignoring Fede, I find this to be an interesting idea to say in the least.

 

If animals are able to instinctually migrate from one pole to another, and elephants are able to sense natural disasters, then this may just be possible.

 

Animals are keen observers who primarily communicate with body language , seen in dogs who are able to interpret their owners' eye movement. One particular documentary I saw regarding dog/human communication mentioned that certain dogs were able to detect when a human was lying by watching how the person's eyes glanced sideways instead of maintaining contact. So with this in mind, perhaps a dog would be able to detect the behavioural changes in its owner when switched with a tulpa or separate personality? Maybe the tulpa might talk differently or follow a different daily routine etc. It could even be as subtle as a tulpa twiddling its thumbs or having a different sitting posture that the dog could pick up on.

 

Not going to dismiss the idea of supernatural animals, although it would be interesting to see someone research this from a psychological perspective.

[Guest]

It still doesn't prove anything, but I suppose it's an interesting mental feat to study nonetheless for the fascinated. I'll just promptly leave the thread, as I am not one such person.

[Sands]

It's the body language thing the animals notice, not some magical spirit bullshit like others have said, yeah. Like there was that part about the dog and the carpet in the other thread you posted, when the other dude was in control he sent messages to the dog that basically told the dog it's okay, you can stay there. But as soon as the one who told the dog not to be on the carpet, his body language changed and the dog would get off it, so nothing bad would happen.

 

My cat doesn't mind, he just wants to sit on both of our laps - but seeing that we both like him, our body language can't be very hostile. He does mind if Roswell does something I wouldn't normally do and stares like any cat that has been insulted does. And accidentally dropping food on the floor is horrible indeed.

 

I doubt our pets think that we're ~*~~another person~~*~, just acting differently and they act around us based on those little things our body language or tone tells them. If we suddenly start acting like we're unfamiliar with them, they'll probably start wondering what's going on and feel like the situation is very different from the norm, so they act differently too while trying to figure out what's wrong.