LOTS and lots of help needed

[A Sack of Cats]

Hello all. I'm new to this forum and was in some desperate need for help on actually CREATING a tulpa. Before you get all pissed, I have read the guides, and even some use created ones, but I need help with them.

 

So to start, we're supposed to start with personality. HOW exactly do I spend 3-15 hours on personality? Do I just sit own and talk (parrot I guess) with a tulpa I imagine but can't see about whet I'd like some of her qualities to be? For a while now (before I knew what a tulpa was even) I'd have conversations in my head with myself. It always helped me sort things out (from simple things like what to eat to important things like what I want to be in life). Sometimes I don't have to think up the other part of the answer, it just comes to me, so I feel like that's a good thing. Anyway, I've tried to go into as much detail as possible with each trait (23 in all) and I can't make it last anywhere near as long as it's supposed too. What should I do?

 

After finding out out what a tulpa was, I didn't put a whole lot of effort into it at first, but I pretty much just imagined a girl as the other part of my conversations. I do NOT see/hear/smell/feel/taste(?) her in anyway, I just "see" her in my head. This is the part where I'm getting confused about. I can "visualize" her, but can not see her, if you know what I mean. Is there a type of meditation I could do to help me see/hear her? I even tried putting on some headphones and listening to white noise for those "echos" you're supposed to hear, but even after an hour, nothing. I have never been able to "see" things I imagine. Aparently I'm just focusing on the backs of my eyelids or something, and I'm supposed to "See" with my mind's eye. Is there some meditation or technique I can use to help me see through it (I tried just sitting down, eyes closed, for almost half an hour and I couldn't even see color, so I feel like making a Wonderland would be near impossible)?

 

I realize I'm being sporadic with my questions and statements, so I'll try and sum it up in a few questions that I'd like some detailed answers too:

 

 

 

-How exactly do I spend 3-15 hours on personality? I've drawn up a list and talked to her about it, but unless I start repeating myself I can't make this go on for more than 2 hours, let alone 15. How can I expand upon this?

 

-I can not see/hear/smell/feel/taste my tulpa in anyway, and focusing on it for extended periods of time don't seem to help. Is there a meditation I can do to assist this? Should I be in a dark room? Listening to white noise?

 

-I was diagnosed with Schizoid personality disorder in my teens (sorta the reason I want to make a tulpa actually; someone to talk too without me wanting to get away from them). Will this affect her/me in anyway during the creation process?

 

-What is the bond you and a tulpa can form? I don't mean like fucking, but I'd want her to be sort of motivational I guess. I plan on losing some weight (50 pounds) as a New Years Resolution (Hence the urgency), and I feel a tulpa would be the perfect coach on bettering myself. Would this work?

 

I apologize sincerely if I seem rude/annoying/demanding, I just feel like I'm stressed for time and the people on these forums are really the only people I know of to discuss this. Unless of course I want to go to /x/ and have my thread derailed by people claiming that tulpa's are really Illuminati controlled skeleton working with the reptilians to enforce the new world order.

 

 

 

TL;DR How to spend so much time on personality, no progress whatsoever on visualization (all 5 senses), can a non-important psychological disorder (Schizoid) affect me or my tulpa negativity, and would a tulpa be a great motivational friend/coach for working towards goals?

[waffles]

-If you've gone through all the good personality guides like you've claimed to and still don't think that you can spend a long time on personality, then don't. It's not a big deal if you don't spend a lot of time on personality. The goal here is to get an idea of what your tulpa's going to be, and of you've already done that then you needn't do more.

 

-That's normal. As long as you can visualise them will in your head, you'll be fine for the process. After your tulpa is vocal and all, if you want to impose them then there are separate imposition guides. Imposition usually takes quite a bit of time and effort, and usually isn't recommendable before your tulpa is sentient.

 

-I wouldn't think so. Typically you won't feel the same way about your tulpa as you do everyone else, so even if you dislike others the same won't necessarily apply to your tulpa. As long as you're still willing to spend a lot of time with your tulpa, and share your thoughts with them, then being schizoidal is unlikely to affect the process.

 

-Your tulpa can motivate you and so on, but whether you listen to then or not is a different matter. As well as that, remember that a tulpa has free will, and doesn't have to do what you want them to. Bear in mind also that traits such as 'motivated' or 'helpful' are often the most likely to be lost in the process.

 

Hope I answered all your questions here sufficiently.

[A Sack of Cats]

You've been very helpful, thanks. But before I go read through all the guides again, how exactly can I tell if my tulpa is sentient if I can't see/hear/feel her? The guides say go your own way, but follow the basics, so if I discussed personality traits with her for a good long while, parroting when necessary, she'd eventually "answer" me (remember I can't hear her at all, a bit demoralizing and I hear that that's not a good thing when trying to make one) by just sending thought my way that I didn't make?

 

I'm just having a bit of trouble understanding when I'll be able to tell if she's sentient when I can't see, hear, or feel her at all. I don't mean to be a bother, I'm just really damn confused about a lot of this.

[waffles]

What most guides refer to as 'vocal' is the tulpa 'speaking' in a 'mindvoice' (the voice that you yourself would think in). You will usually be able to tell that it's your tulpa talking simply because you know it isn't you. Hearing this tends to indicate that your tulpa is sentient.

 

However, a tulpa will likely be sentient before they can speak. The usual signs are 'emotional responses' - when you get a wave of emotion that isn't yours - and head pressures - feeling pressure on your head - though there are probably a few more common ones that I'm forgetting.

 

The best way to gain sentience is narration. Narration is simply talking to your tulpa, and if you do that a lot your tulpa is sure to speak back eventually.

[A Sack of Cats]

Thanks man, you've been a ton of help. I guess I'll leave the thread up in case anyone else has anymore advice.

 

Again, thanks.

[Sands]

Guides are just guidelines, you make your own path. Making tuppers is a very personal process, what works for someone doesn't work for you. You can hear her, but her first replies most likely won't actually be auditory hallucinations.

 

Of course you can see them. Just look at them. An actual hallucination will probably take time if you're not already crazy, but why would it have to be an actual thing you have to see right now when you can see it in your mind's eye? Their first "speech" might not be a real voice at all, but does it have to be? Can you make real sounds in your head right now? Do your own words in your head sound like they come from someone else's mouth? Just like you can see them in your imagination, you can also feel or hear them. You just gotta practice on hallucinations if you want it all to be "real", but they're a real person in your head without all that. You're kinda like a person in your head too, hell, I'm nothing more than a dude in my tupper's head when he's the body. Fuck if I know what it is, but that's sure how it feels like.

 

You have no proof of me being sentient either, maybe I am just some weird robot programmed by the universe while you're the only real dude in here. Who knows? But I treat you like a sapient creature because I have no reason to not do so. Early on, your tupper just might have some troubles showing it to you as they're new to the whole life thing or you might have problems noticing because you're too busy thinking of something else. Oh boy I sure know all about not noticing. Looking back, all I can think of is how could I be that stupid and not notice or just didn't listen or let him answer when he clearly could. Maybe not with words, but he had his ways. His presence was always a big thing to me that really told me that someone was listening. You might not notice it, but you can bet that they are listening.

 

Making a tupper is teamwork, it's not just their job to do something but neither is it all just about you. Not only do they have to try to communicate with you, you just gotta try to listen and notice it. Gotta say, not as difficult as you might think it is if you're not an idiot like me. Be confident, confidence is needed. From both of you.

[Couguhl]

Your tulpa is already sentient. A lot of times on the forums, we've heard of tulpae complain once they became vocal that their hosts would ignore or dismiss them because they didn't think they were sentient, of even there at all. And that's the thing. The entire creation process is to convince your brain that you are talking to a sentient being, so from the start, assume your tulpa is sentient.

There's a communication barrier between you and your tulpa because they cannot speak, though. Imagine it as a child that recognizes it and you exist, but cannot speak. It can think and rationalize (and in the tulpa's case, it's typically already intellectually developed) but it has to rely on alternate ways of communication. A lot of ways non-vocal tulpae communicate are by head pressure (giving you head aches, or a strange sensation in your head) emotional responses (you suddenly feel really emotional), or even a strong feeling of his/her mental presence. My tulpa first responded to me with an emotional response.

But you may not experience all of these. (I've only experienced emotional responses.) You may experience things we've never heard of before. But that's because your relationship with your tulpa is unique.

 

So all in all, your tulpa is already sentient, they are listening to every word you say, and you will be fine.

And don't forget to narrate. Keep narrating.

All the time.

[Tedective]

I'll be on the chat thing for the next few hours. I'll probably not be on tomorrow because I'll be really hung over. But for the next few hours, I can help you through chat. Find Alice and me there. We'll be there for a while. Personal message us or talk through .info. I don't really pay attention to _ot. Same goes for all of you who still have any questions!

[A Sack of Cats]

Wow guys, was not expecting that. I realized what I wanted to make, but I guess I never really thought it out. I mean, I (we're?) creating a sentient being composed of my thoughts. Another living creature, brought into the universe, That's a lot to take in. You're all so helpful, thanks.

 

And I'll narrate. All day and all night. But what happens if I don't feel anything? Or if it just doesn't work? I'd be pretty crushed if I just wasn't able too make one.

[Sands]

Some people feel a lot and that's normal. Some people don't feel anything and that's normal. We all are just so different. Just keep your chin up, it can take a while or it can be really fast, enjoy the journey while it lasts, because that is important too. I kinda pity those that poop out tuppers in seconds, I feel like they missed so much and I just wonder what the people who took even longer to create one think I missed...