Solidifying a tulpa?

[Guest]

It's generally taken as accepted fact that while you can touch a tulpa, you can't apply pressure lest your hand go right through.

 

And yet, our sense of touch is just as neurological as the number of streams of consciousness that we have.

 

Is it possible that we have simply not discovered a "solidifying" step after the imposition step? I imagine that it would take a lot of work, but it should be just as theoretically possible as imposition.

[wohonajax]

Your hand goes through it. The sense of touch isn't the only thing at play.

[Guest]

Your hand goes through it. The sense of touch isn't the only thing at play.

 

But it is the senses that are at play. It's all sensory.

[Guest Albatross_]

Perhaps, after a lot of work, you could set up a mental barrier that literally does not allow your hand to physically pass through the hallucination you've imposed.

[wohonajax]

In that sense, everything is sensory. You could do basically anything if you could convince yourself that you could feel the pressure, not feel the drag of your hand going through, not see your hand going through, etc. It's too much for me to do all at once, but if you work hard enough, I'm sure it would be possibly. It seems like a lot of work to no good purpose.

[Phi]

While I won't completely shoot the idea down, I don't think its possible. Your hand will go through them. Unless you can trick your brain into not seeing you put your hand through your tulpa, then you already can't do what you want to do. It's hard to get your brain to see your body move in a way that it isn't moving.

[Guest]

Someone on IRC once suggested slowly touching your tulpa and having the tulpa resist your touch. It seemed to work for some people.

[G|d30n]

The good news is, anything is possible in your own Wonderland. The bad news is, your brain does a really good job of figuring out how your body is moving all on its own without any control involved on your end. It would be extremely hard to shut off or alter your whole sense of biolocation in synch with a self-induced hallucination. I don't know that it could be done, even with hundreds of ours of effort, but I'm sure the community would be interested if you can figure it out.

[FigN01]

I don't think you could go so far as imposing it as a solid object. If you're pushing against a wall, for example, the muscles in your arm and shoulder are only pushing forward and your arm is anchored by the point at which your hand is placed against the wall, where friction keeps it from moving out of place. If you did the same for an object that you imagine as real, the only thing that could prevent your arm from moving forward is the contracting muscles within it, which also have no anchor point to fix your arm there. The focus it would take to train your muscles to respond to all of the fine details of a hallucination in that way, including curves and the tulpas own movement, would be immense, and the likelihood of your hand slipping in some way that would violate the illusion would be really high. I'm more inclined to say it isn't possible, especially because I haven't seen anyone except mimes come close to doing that. And mimes are full of shit anyway.

[ThatOneGuy]

Solidifying a tulpa would require that we get all of the required matter to do so, and we can't just pull it out of the air. The amount of energy required (and this holds true for proven scientific fields, as you may know) to put a living being together borders on the ridiculous, and doing so with just one's mind borders on insanity. Find me the matter that's being used and then slap it together with bonds and such or else there's not going to be solidifying of any type going on.