Famous Servitors in History: Chi

[Mr. Duke and His Attorney]

Chi. Ki. Qi. [Yo]ki.

Whatever you want to call it, I think this would make for an incredibly interesting and useful servitor. Maybe I'm getting the definition of servitor wrong? I always treated the word as /x/ nonsense, but then people started taking it seriously. Due to chi's widespread applications, use and history, I think it should be considered as something else in its own category.

 

So, first off, my view of chi. It is a number of things: mystical, metaphysical, physical and mainly mind-construction. It is generally understood as part of the nature of this website, but because something is only a creation of the mind is no reason to dismiss it. On the contrary, these constructs often have more value because they are of the mind. The physical aspects of chi, known to the ancient Chinese or not, include an application of physics (for instance, the image of pulling chi through the ground, into your body, directing it through your hips and channeling it out while palm-striking) and the "bio-electric" energy of the body. I'm pretty sure that translates to the whatnot that controls/channels through your nerves, as you use the idea of chi to effectively control your muscles, heart rate, and many, many more things you normally have no control over.

 

The idea of chi is much more powerful than chi itself. This is where the control comes from, the relaxation, the mind-state, the extended lifespan, the health, the low heart rate

 

As with tulpa, chi has a physical-feeling kind of effect. The same way you trick your mind into physically feeling your tulpa is the same way you feel your own chi. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the same thing the Chinese were and have been doing. And I bet a few did they same with the visual chi servitor I talk about below. Mainly through breathing exercises, and a lot of concentration and belief, is how one is able to feel chi. There are a lot of visualization exercises, all of which amount to basic tulpaforcing. Eventually, you can feel chi-flow tingles just like the touch of a tulpa. These guide you into properly manipulating it based on cues from your ol' pal Physics until you can chuck people 15 feet, separate rib cages, and shatter knees with little effort on your own part. God damn, I love Tai Chi.

 

What's important for this particular post, is chi's application as a servitor. It can serve a number of the functions chi is believed to have. The focus here is on a visual representation of chi, that is, actually being able to see chi flow in another person. Now, you're not going to be able to read the energy flowing through nerves; that's just silly. You're also not going to be able to see where chi will go before it goes, like Clare in Claymore or those stomach things in Donnie Darko. Actually, you may be able to do it more like Clare, in that you could see where it is about to go and predict it like that.

 

Mostly, this makes sense in a martial arts kind of a sense. While fighting, if you know how chi "flows" in the body, you can read it and watch the body work. The chi will be broken when they throw a punch incorrectly, if they have a bad stance, bad posture, incorrect feet placement, etc. The better one gets at the chi servitor, the more fine-tuned this sense becomes. In this way, the chi-reader can see the minor imperfections and exploit them. The slight variations in the chi will become like a huge "exploit the shit out of this!" indicator. Kind of like the Hyuuga's in Naruto (hell yeah Baguazhang!), or anything you can think of involving the visualization of chi.

There are many more uses for this though. For instance, that guy going into politics making a servitor for watching/gauging people. Think of a Zen Buddhist hippie, or equivalent anime mystic, watching someone get really tense, maybe shaking, and drop something while jerkily trying to put it away and they say, "Your chi is out of whack." What they mean is you are not calm/relaxed/generally happy or at peace. Basically, being able to read any and all external physical cues and have them shown through the chi servitor.

 

Essentially, the chi servitor is a symbolic, visual language. The more nuanced you make it, the more useful it becomes. Kind of like how Neo reads the coding of the Matrix. Except, you have to rely on your intuition for anything further than an external cue.

 

I'll continually update this post and collect relative information where I can.

 

Any input you guys have on this would be helpful. Different applications, methods, uses, or ideas would be great. Other thoughts on chi as well. Or anyone willing to give it a shot. And ask about anything that needs clarifying. I have a bad habit of only giving little details to something that is perfectly clear to me.

 

And remember, this is all about you. Your perception of what chi is, your ability to read people (though simply creating this servitor will help) and your position (context) in the world. You will get it wrong all the time, and your chi servitor will very often reflect inaccurate information. Furthermore, this will work only on visual/audio cues. It WILL NOT be able to do anything for people who are hiding their emotions or not giving cues or things of that nature. In that regard, it will play much more on your personal intuition in such matters. As such, it will work much better on people you know. Especially in situations where you can intuitively compare and contrast previous situations to tell, for instance, if your friend is feeling really down and not playing videogames all of a sudden despite how much they enjoy them, or playing much more videogames.

 

In regards to personality types, Introverted Feelers will have a hell of a time with this, and I do not recommend it (don't assume you're an Introverted Feeler if you don't know what that is. For example, INTPs are built for this as they are Extraverted Feelers. INTJs could probably muscle through it on willpower alone, but it wouldn't be inherent).

 

Once more fully in existence, my attorney and I will work on this further. Though, its really pretty damn complicated and has taken others lifetimes to learn. On the other hand, this website specializes in this stuff and is good at making these things go much quicker. Sure made short work of Irish and FAQ_man's guides, eh? Back then, tulpaforcing was like an artform in its early stages. Simple and inefficient, with many flaws, though it worked. I believe chi creation has the same problem. And, that people are limiting themselves by believing you must spend decades on it before you learn anything. The "sentience from day one" motto applies here.

 

[still a WIP, but almost done with this main post]

Really, really calling out for a Literature major that specializes in Postmodernism/Deconstruction to help deconstruct/decenter the shit out of chi

[glitchthe3rd]

Moved to Metaphysics & Parapsychology because people are going to whine if I don't put it there.

 

That being said, it's certainly plausible that these two concepts are related as they both stem from eastern religion.

[Mr. Duke and His Attorney]

Moved to Metaphysics & Parapsychology because people are going to whine if I don't put it there.

 

That being said, it's certainly plausible that these two concepts are related as they both stem from eastern religion.

 

Awwwwww, okay. But I'm going to make it clear right now that this thread is not about any metaphysical aspect of chi and anyone making it so will be derailing it.

 

It is about creating a chi servitor as a visual language, and how the concept of chi works in reality, and subjectively in the mind.

 

Like tulpas, the idea of chi goes beyond their normally Eastern idea. Chi applies to emotional responses and physics worldwide, the same way tulpa are inherently related to the idea of ghosts and imaginary friends. (At least, I believe ghosts are generally actually tulpa). And serious fiction writers of any part in the world generally do or almost have or have a serious inclination towards tulpas (or similar such proto-tulpa things).

 

EDIT: Ah, I should also clarify that, as I see it, chi as it appears throughout history (in actual use, not fictional like Naruto, DBZ, Bleach, Claymore, etc.) is identical to what we do here. For the most part. Some minor differences, but if you listen to any martial artist that really gets into chi talk about it, you realize they're talking about servitors. Or somewhere between a tulpa and a servitor.

[Lacquer]

N represents iNtuition, not Introverted

[Avalanche]

This is essentially the same thing as

http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Imposition-An-idea-for-HUD-servitors

 

You're talking about using chi as a way to detect and perceive things you couldn't normally. This is much the same as using a HUD for displaying information you already know or are taking in.

[Enoch327]

I agree with the placement of this topic in the metaphysical section. I believe in "Chi"" and yet it is something that can not be proved by Western standards. Let's just talk about it and not argue over where it belongs. I think it would be neat to have a servitor that could store chi and then send it to me when I need it. Like to avoid an accident or something.

[historical]

I think this is how Psionics works, too: on some sort of belief-chi system. I was into that stuff for a while some years back and picked up on the fact that it is mostly belief with less intentional determination on the actual

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I did not watch the video with sound, so I have no idea what they talk about by the way.

[Mr. Duke and His Attorney]

N represents iNtuition, not Introverted

Oops, mixed that up. Blame demons in the collective unconscious.

 

This is essentially the same thing as

http://tulpa.info/forums/Thread-Imposition-An-idea-for-HUD-servitors

 

You're talking about using chi as a way to detect and perceive things you couldn't normally. This is much the same as using a HUD for displaying information you already know or are taking in.

Nice, that's the thread I was talking about. Actually, the chi servitor would work better assuming you are perceiving things you already can intuitively. Mainly body language. For the visual aspect anyway, watching chi circulate and that.

 

I need to talk more in the main post about the internal chi aspect of the servitor. While they really are two different categories, both fall in the concept of chi. The servitor would also be able to regulate your own muscles, relax them at will, easily control breathing, steady heart rate and all the other things chi does that people generally don't know why/how (bolster immune system, longer health, longer life and that kind of stuff are generally indirect effects of chi is my guess. Well, long life comes from practicing tai chi/yoga a lot due to the physical benefits and the peace of mind. That peace of mind thing is the biggest contributor to long life after genetics. Seriously, wtf, some people just have genes for an extra 20 years. Yogurt cannons, all of them). Eating well and cardio would also be important.

That would probably also be a separate category from chi as an application of physics, though it would fall into internal chi.

In this sense, chi is normally described as being generated/drawn in from the ground, directed through the hips, and expressed by the hands.

This image/symbolism does wonders for proper martial application. It also helps to envision where the chi goes after it leaves you. Basically like a trajectory path. It helps hit people in the right spots and the right way. Like swinging a baseball bat all the way through rather than stopping when you hit the ball.

 

To clarify, Glitch's HUD and this guys political HUD whatevs would only be a part of a much more involved servitor. Besides, I've got Google Glass on the horizon for my HUD.

 

I agree with the placement of this topic in the metaphysical section. I believe in "Chi"" and yet it is something that can not be proved by Western standards. Let's just talk about it and not argue over where it belongs. I think it would be neat to have a servitor that could store chi and then send it to me when I need it. Like to avoid an accident or something.

The definition of chi breaks down under any standards. Also, the idea of an overarching Western standard is silly. That idea breaks down as well under examination. More importantly, chi is an umbrella term. Which is why it is more than the HUD servitor.

I'm not going to argue the placement, just keep the metaphysical talk out of the thread. It has nothing to do with a chi servitor. I think the concept of chi needs the same treatment as tulpa have on the rest of the forum. Especially if anything worthwhile is to happen with it. I'm not saying to go full retard "Objective" on it ("objective" study is a ridiculous concept no longer valid in any field. Especially the hard sciences where knowledge is constantly being rewritten), but the hokum needs to be removed and/or put under the microscope to learn its function and/or value.

Well, that being said, the metaphysical viewpoints could lead to interesting avenues of thought. But that would be a secondary kind of bonus and not at all the focus. It can really kill the atmosphere though.

 

What makes the concept of chi so interesting is that all of the different applications it has, ideas, methods, emotional states, mental control/effort/power/willpower and everything else are all tied together in one concept. So many potentially conflicting ideas of separate categories all together. And that, I believe, is where the power of the chi servitor will come from. It will be a highly nuanced system, with its own visual language. At this point, of course, it either needs to remain a servitor and not go tulpa or constantly exist as a tool for my attorney (tulpa). Last thing I need is a sentient yoki system.

 

I think this is how Psionics works, too: on some sort of belief-chi system. I was into that stuff for a while some years back and picked up on the fact that it is mostly belief with less intentional determination on the actual

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I did not watch the video with sound, so I have no idea what they talk about by the way.

Yeah, that's weird. Until I have real-world experience with these kinds of things, I'm going to withhold judgment.

I don't know what you mean about chi and psionics though. Chi is not an actual force outside of when it used to talk about kinetic energy or the stuff running through your nerves. Trying to push someone over with chi is like a tulpa trying to push someone over: very cute.

 

Glitch and Weird make some good points in that other thread, so let me address them now. For the visual language part, yes, this is much more work to get the same payoff as just reading body language. Especially because it requires incredible training to be able to read imperfections in footwork/stance/posture for martial arts (or boxing, or wrestling etc.) regardless of the chi servitor. Personally, I believe that training these things while having the chi servitor from the start will allow the chi servitor to effectively speed up the whole process and end up saving time in the long run.

This is very much apart from the elephant in the room not mentioned in the other thread that this is cool as hell and and justified on that utility alone. For instance, I really love Claymore, and the idea of a personal yoki/yoma aura system fills me with a lot of warm fuzzies, and that is a hell of a lot of utility when entered into a game theory equation.

[Lacquer]

Do you have any links at which I can read up more about Chi, Yoga, Tai Chi, etc. and their supposed life-extending properties?

[Mr. Duke and His Attorney]

Not a clue, but I'll keep my eyes open and see if I can dig some stuff up. Unfortunately, the majority of stuff are those mainly bull shit instructional videos. After that are the heavy martial arts/martial arts theory books, which will end up being really hit or miss. The problem ends up being that you have to cross-reference a bunch of things in order to figure out what is really going on. Things such as each author's individual spin on what chi is, how mystical they're being and how much you can trust what they're saying. Some super-mystic stuff was written by college professors who run a number of internal Chinese martial arts programs, and there is a ton to learn from it. On the other hand, there are books that go the full-on hard sciences route with an intent to prove or disprove things, and end up missing tons of important information.

 

The first part of the life-extending properties are the physical aspects. Yoga is stupidly intense, while Tai Chi is like moving mediation. I bet, once you get good, you can force while doing either. Both work a number of rarely used muscles, and stretch and contract all manner of places while essentially massaging internal organs due to stuff moving around. To be done correctly, you have to be completely relaxed. This is where the mental part comes in, because that kind of semi-permanent relaxation-state is supposed to bleed into the entirety of your life. Thus, lowering your heart-rate and extending your life. I guess. That's all my speculation from personal experience. Mental happiness is probably the biggest key to heart-health and long life.

 

The other important aspect, I believe, is the chi servitor. Not mine, per se, but in general. The first thing you are taught about chi is how to begin feeling it in yourself. To do this, you must locate the Dan Tien and visualize its existence. It is located about four fingers (2 inches?) below your belly button and set inside you, halfway between front and back. In Japanese, it is called the Hara and produces ki. Recommended visualizations of it include a flame, a ball of energy/swirling ball, a kind of water thing, wind thing, etc. You spend time, ideally at least 20 minutes, meditating while sitting or lying down, imagining this force drawing in chi through your hands and feet (there's special names for those too, some kind of gates). As you inhale, you imagine the chi flowing in, and as you exhale, it flows out through these gates. You are to breathe deep, pulling it all towards the Dan Tien. Do not breathe to your chest. You are aiming to make your stomach rise by pulling everything down with the diaphragm. After doing this for awhile, you will begin to able to feel chi flowing in your body and direct it where you need to go. You direct it to where you feel sick when you start to get sick, where you hurt when you hurt, where you need to stop feeling pain, or other stuff like that to heal faster. What's remarkable about this, is why I think it works. I think it works because your brain thinks it works, so it does. Like a super-placebo.

 

When your brain believes you are "controlling chi" in this nature, it just kind of fills in the blanks you don't think about. The mind is weird, and believing something will happen can often be enough to make it happen. Y'know, like tulpas and stuff. That's all for you, personally though. Don't expect to be able to do something like send chi to someone else to help them. Its about tricking your own mind, not someone else's.

 

Sound familiar? You essentially force yourself a Dan Tien servitor to begin producing chi in your body. Hypothetically, I bet you could actually see it if you cut yourself open, assuming you've imposed it. The big thing is, for me, chi flow feels like a tulpa's touch.

 

And that, is the beginning of making your very own chi servitor!