Can a Tulpa be programmed to clear a blocked nose

[tania]

Why do you keep saying programmed? These aren't servitors. These aren't machines.

 

I say programmed as to me its programming as you are putting the info (so could be called programmed) into the Tulpa of what you want them to be able to do when you make them, anyone putting in traits, hobbies etc is doing this. Humans can be "programmed" too.. cults do that to people!! are people doing the same thing when it comes to Tulpas? (that is why the word "deprogramming" is used for those who are resuced from cults and have people working with them to try to get them back to normal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming ).

 

I unlike most here.. thou I have a Tulpa I still see it as part of me and that my Tulpa is part of my own subconsciousness Ive put together by focusing on various traits etc and putting them together.. programmed.

 

Im sorry you are having trouble understanding my wording but I arent going to change it as I had some Tulpa experience long before I found this site (my first Tulpa was probably around 10 years ago) and other groups use completely different terminologies to here.. many of the expressions on this site I think are outside what is usually used in other places. I personally prefer just to use my own.

 

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He IS NOT a servitor and couldnt be called that as he is independant in his own right too, he's had more independance then many of the Tulpas made here eg he named himself (I didnt give or even think of name options to give him), he's being allowed to choose how he looks to a degree (without my ideas being imposed onto him), he creates his own wonderland and he speaks to me independantly to me.

 

I myself dont see Tulpas at this point as "living beings". I do see them as independant and able to think for themselves and even feeling their own mortality ..certainly yes!! (my Tulpa was afraid I was going to do something to him and get rid of him, probably cause of my hard core views he's just part of me so doesnt need to be treated true individual in his own right, so I had to alter him with more traits to get him over that mortality fear) ... but I still see them as a part of ourself. I just see Tulpas as consciousness, part of my subconscious consciousness which has been brought forth.

 

Also I have no idea what you want out of this thread. You said your tulpa could do it (probably placebo), so why are you asking? As far as I know, no one's specifically attempted a nose-clearing thing before, so you're the only one with experience.

 

I dont want anything out of this thread.. this is a sharing thread for science. Sharing experiences is important.

 

Placebo or not it is interesting as it occurred and my experiment in that area was a success. I went from unable to breath out of one side of my nose well to being able to breath well again due to what I experienced WITH HIM (he was responsible for it, I didnt even think of asking him at the time he just did what he'd previously been programmed to do).

 

Science is something Im quite interested in and "one" of the many reasons why I made my Tulpa in the first place. He is a science experiment among other things.

 

and yes.. no one else has mentioned about a Tulpa helping with things like blocked noses, so that is precisely why I wanted to share my experience of this in the name of possibly ground breaking science. New discoveries are highly important when it comes to science. And also this may help people create more useful to them Tulpas. I came here to help people (and maybe even learn something myself thou havent really yet but I still hope to do so, Im sure some here would have some useful things to share).

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I wouldn't think that this would be possible. Mainly because tulpa cannot affect the physical world in any way. (that I've seen) So this should technically be "impossible" or whatever particular term you want to use.

But who knows? The mind is a very powerful thing and if you believe something with enough conviction(at least something to do with your own physical body) it may actually happen.

 

yeah the mind is a very powerful thing.. and I see tulpas as a part of our minds which we've like split off or rather put together in a certain way. Seeing my tupla did this, I wonder if people can have their noses cleared by hypnosis too??? From my own experiment I'd probably say then that would be the case. (I wish I now could find a hypnotist to ask). I think a Tulpa would be capable of affecting people in anyway a hypnotherapist can.

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Chupi, I suppose it's possible you might be able to control a facial muscle that helps open your nasal cavities, but it wouldn't instantly clear it as claimed in the OP.

 

It took 3-5 seconds.. so not quite instantly (but I will still say instantly as it was so quick). I didnt notice anything happening with my facial muscles, I had no twinging or any strange feelings in that area.

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It sounds like OP's tulpa is using an imposed scent. I know that some scents can clear the nose, even without having some vapor in them that directly affects the nasal membranes. I don't know whether an imposed version of the same scent would do the same.

 

Thanks.. I'd forgotten about that research. I read something on that years ago. Maybe that is where I got the whole idea to do the scent experiment with the Tulpa as I guess what I'd read in the past must of been buried in my subconsciousness... completely forgotten till I read your post.

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Well, you tell me. Can you be programmed to clear a blocked nose? Same answer.

 

Im expect him to be able to do more then I can in some areas and exceed me. eg I expect his memory to be better then my own. You cant always guage what is possible with a Tulpa or not based on what yourself can usually do.

 

If you believe that your Tulpa wont be able to do things you yourself cant, it probably never will.

[Lacquer]

snop

 

The placebo effect is having real, recordable physical reactions to cognitive expectations. If one seriously thinks that doing [insert thing here] will reduce swelling in one's sinuses, and one does [thing], one could actually stick a probe up one's nose into one's sinuses and show a measurable decrease in swelling accompanying the perceived sinus clearing. That's what I mean. I don't mean it in a negative way, in fact, people are treated for depression by receiving placebos all the time [citation needed].

[Sands]

Im expect him to be able to do more then I can in some areas and exceed me. eg I expect his memory to be better then my own. You cant always guage what is possible with a Tulpa or not based on what yourself can usually do.

 

If you believe that your Tulpa wont be able to do things you yourself cant, it probably never will.

 

Seems like you're about to be very disappointed. Are they better at some things? Yeah, maybe. Are they worse at some things? Yeah, sure. Are they going to be something superhuman that can do everything you want them to be able to do? No. And I can tell you that this far, anything a tupper has been able to do, even if such skill wasn't practiced by them in the first place before the skill was learned, can be learned by you with practice and vice versa.

 

Also >programming and >altering traits to get over mortality fear, sounds pretty fucking nice. Right now I am hoping you're just a troll for the sake of your tupper you're just using as a tool.

[tania]

 

Seems like you're about to be very disappointed. Are they better at some things? Yeah, maybe. Are they worse at some things? Yeah, sure. Are they going to be something superhuman that can do everything you want them to be able to do? No. And I can tell you that this far, anything a tupper has been able to do, even if such skill wasn't practiced by them in the first place before the skill was learned, can be learned by you with practice and vice versa.

 

Also >programming and >altering traits to get over mortality fear, sounds pretty fucking nice. Right now I am hoping you're just a troll for the sake of your tupper you're just using as a tool.

 

I wont be disappointed as there is nothing which could happen to disappoint me as I know its experimental all which Im trying to get him to help me with, I have hopes but not expectations with it. I do believe thou that I can have a lot more successs with the things Im about to try (if I didnt believe that it wouldnt ever be worth trying). Even failed experiements are interesting if things dont work thou.

 

Yeah I may be using my Tulpa (im not about to disagree as its true) but I dont see anything wrong at all with that as Tulpas come from oneself anyway, I see them as like created split offs from ones own subconsciousness. Yes they think themselves, act for themselves etc but I still dont separate them from being a "part" of the host. I view my Tulpa as I would as me having an extra arm or leg.

 

That's the thing about stuff even if we are using our Tulpas.. its not like one can make ones Tulpa unhappy and still be happy oneself, as host and Tulpas are two closely intertwined. An unhappy Tulpa will make issues for a host (so not a good thing). What you do to your Tulpa you will feel yourself etc (in my case I can feel his feelings at times quite intensely.. hence it is in my best interest to keep him happy too or I'll be paying a price).

 

I did us both a favour by altering him and removing the mortality fear he had. It fixed the issue for us both. I had something else I'd put into his programming early on (Im not going to talk about it as people here would get up in arms) but to leave him with the mortality fear wouldnt have been at all fair to him cause of the other thing I'd done. The best way to deal with his fear was to alter him so it was removed (as I wasnt about to remove the other thing).

 

If I run into big issues it wont be due to the relationship Jesse and I have.

 

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Im a lucid dreamer and I treat my dream characters in those dreams not as senient beings too (in case you arent aware, dream characters in lucid dreams often seem to have their own awareness too) thou I know many do treat these as if they were real people. Does that make me a bad person? Those too are something we have/our subconsciousness has made.

 

You obviously have your views on things and I have mine. Jesse and I are fine (Im making him so he should be fine with whatever I do). Do you eat meat? Well then you are responsible for the actual death of sentient beings so have no right to judge that Im using a part of my own subconsciousness.. my Tulpa.

 

sorry I get a bit prickly when people start judging me who are killers of sentient beings themselves. haha Jesse has some work to do.. one of his roles is to help keep me in a calm state of being.. peace (wouldnt a permanent peace state be nice?). haha.. he hasnt got the hang of that one yet, he's right now working on it thou (I feel like Im being infused with his more peaceful energy right now :) ).

[Sands]

Do you eat meat? Well then you are responsible for the actual death of sentient beings so have no right to judge that Im using a part of my own subconsciousness.. my Tulpa.

 

Sentient perhaps, but not sapient. So good job, you are even worse. But yeah you're getting too big of a reaction out of this, 7/10, a bit too obvious and stupid but you're getting reactions so you get that for effort. Also you do know that subconscious doesn't mean anything because everyone has their own definition for that so it doesn't mean one thing and also no one has proven that tuppers come from this mythical "subconscious", if it exists in the first place? I guess that might be part of your plan but I dunno, I'd like this more if you took that into account. But hey, look at the bright side, maybe you'll be able to catch someone into this and get even more laughs out of them when they fall for this thing?

[tania]

Also you do know that subconscious doesn't mean anything because everyone has their own definition for that so it doesn't mean one thing and also no one has proven that tuppers come from this mythical "subconscious", if it exists in the first place? I guess that might be part of your plan but I dunno, I'd like this more if you took that into account. But hey, look at the bright side, maybe you'll be able to catch someone into this and get even more laughs out of them when they fall for this thing?

 

The only ones I'd get a laugh out of is those who are naive cause they arent opened minded enough to try things and find out for themselves so live in ignorance.

 

There is nothing at all "mythical" about the subconsciousness, the subconsciousness has definitions to what it is and there is nothing at all "mystical" about Tulpas either. The word "mystical" doesnt go with either of those things.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious

[Sands]

From the very article you linked: "The subconscious is commonly encountered as a replacement for the unconscious mind and therefore, laypersons commonly assume that the subconscious is a psychoanalytic term; it isn't." and "Charles Rycroft explains that the subconscious is a term "never used in psychoanalytic writings". Peter Gay says that the use of the term subconscious where unconscious is meant is "a common and telling mistake"." also "Psychologists and psychiatrists use the term "unconscious" in traditional practices, where metaphysical and New Age literature, often use the term subconscious.".

[tania]

From the very article you linked: "The subconscious is commonly encountered as a replacement for the unconscious mind and therefore, laypersons commonly assume that the subconscious is a psychoanalytic term; it isn't." and "Charles Rycroft explains that the subconscious is a term "never used in psychoanalytic writings". Peter Gay says that the use of the term subconscious where unconscious is meant is "a common and telling mistake"." also "Psychologists and psychiatrists use the term "unconscious" in traditional practices, where metaphysical and New Age literature, often use the term subconscious.".

 

Thanks Sands, sounds like I have to look into it more.

[Slushie]

Fun fact, Freud himself hated the term "subconscious".