Some "Beginner" questions

[Independent]

Hey everyone!

 

Before I start I want to tell you that my native language is not english so I'm sorry for any garmmar mistakes and such.

 

Let's begin. First of all, I got into this "Tulpa Thing" some days ago and I got really interested in making him/her. I've read some guides and looked at the forum but got confused after I read more and more of them and I can't seem to find the answers I'm searching for, or I'm a bit lazy but here are the questions:

 

So, personality: I've read some guides as I said and I don't understand how it works, do you have to start by saying all the traits you want him/her to have or you should start by simply talking with your tulpa or sometimes telling him/her how was your day going and sometimes tell him/her the traits?

 

Visualization: If I start creating my tulpa, then should I talk to the nothing, or something that I can easily form like a cloud or immediately think of a form with the personality?

 

Wonderland: As I read, Visualization is hard when you aren't doing it in there because anything can distract you, and in wonderland it's easier. So should I use "real life", Wonderland, or blackness when I close my eyes.

 

And I also read that your Tulpa is able to form Wonderland as he/she likes. But is this only working when you're there or anytime of the day even when you're sleeping.?

 

Response: So I read many kind of experiences about this, I heard there are people saying that your need 100 hours to hear your tulpa but there are others who say that he/she talked right after the basics of the creating. Sooo... What do you think the avrage is and how long it took to your tulpa(s) to start talking.

 

I guess that's about it, if I have more questions I may place them in this thread and thank you all for the answers. Bye!

[Kiahdaj]

Maybe this is kind of lazy of me, but you can read my guide, and it will likely tell you all you need to know about the personality step.

 

As for visualization, if you're more comfortable with it, you can give them a temporary form to talk to. But it is by no means necessary. Just direct your thoughts to your tulpa. It's like talking to someone on the phone. You can't see them, but you know you're talking to them, and your intent is for your words to reach them.

 

The wonderland is barely even a thing. It is just a recurring place that you visualize. It does not aid visualization in any way.

As for what you should use, whatever works for you best, personally. Whatever seems to make visualization the most vivid, or helps with concentration the most.

 

Yes, your tulpa can change the wonderland whenever they want, even when you're sleeping. But don't worry if they don't, it doesn't mean anything. My tulpa is almost a year old, and has never changed the wonderland, to my knowledge.

 

About response: Okay, you should definitely read my guide.

It will answer any of your expectation questions. But for the short answer: there is no set time it will happen. It can happen whenever. There is no such thing as "too soon" for them to talk.

 

But really. I think you should read my guide.

 

I don't like advertising it, but it would definitely help you a lot

 

[TulpaCouple]

There are a lot of different ways to go about this tulpa business. Personality can be done through either method you described. Some choose to create many traits, some choose to use only a few, some choose to not mess with traits and simply let their whole vision of the personality do the work without really messing with it.

 

You can narrate while doing personality work. Narrating means talking to them.

 

I personally had trouble talking to nothing. Jaden even mentioned he got less out of forcing sessions prior to having a form. Some people have difficulties visualizing, however, so they will talk to a formless tulpa or simply visualize a very simple shape, like an orb or cloud of smoke.

 

Everyone comes down to preference. If it is difficult to spend time with your tulpa without a wonderland, by all means use one. But if the wonderland is causing you trouble and making it harder for you to focus on your tulpa, skip it!

 

When your tulpa gets a handle on parallel processing he/she will be able to do as he/she pleases, even if you are asleep or not around. This includes editing the wonderland.

 

 

There is no guarantee as far as time. Most people find they experience an emotional response right off the bat, some take a bit longer. Generally vocality takes some time, not because of the tulpa necessarily as it is about you learning how to hear them. I can't say there is an average at all.

[Independent]

Thank you for answering my questions. From what you say I get that creating a tulpa is different for everyone else and depends on what they prefer. I asked these questions so I'd be sure nothing would go wrong with the creation but now I feel safer to start. And I'll take a look at Kiahdaj's guide.

 

But I still wait for answers from others.

 

Also, I knew I forgot something: I read that your Tulpa can get acces to your subconscious. That means my tulpa has all of my memories and experiences but he/she will only tell me if he/she wants to (that's how I think it is, correct me if I'm wrong). But can the tulpa read your mind at the actual moment when you're thinking about something or it takes some time for them to know what you're thinking?

[Kiahdaj]

Also, I knew I forgot something: I read that your Tulpa can get acces to your subconscious. That means my tulpa has all of my memories and experiences but he/she will only tell me if he/she wants to (that's how I think it is, correct me if I'm wrong). But can the tulpa read your mind at the actual moment when you're thinking about something or it takes some time for them to know what you're thinking?

 

Yes, your tulpa can access your subconscious, if you allow them to. Technically, I think they can even if you "disallow" them to, if they really want. I just asked mine to stay out for the time being, and he has.

And yes, since they are autonomous beings, they don't have to tell you anything about your memories. But generally, tulpas are nice, and want to help their host, so they likely will.

 

As for reading minds, I'm not sure how soon it happens. But my tulpa has been able to read my thoughts for as long as I can remember, and there was no delay. He has responded to something I've thought, right after thinking it.

[tania]

 

Also, I knew I forgot something: I read that your Tulpa can get acces to your subconscious. That means my tulpa has all of my memories and experiences but he/she will only tell me if he/she wants to (that's how I think it is, correct me if I'm wrong). But can the tulpa read your mind at the actual moment when you're thinking about something or it takes some time for them to know what you're thinking?

 

Jesse is very quick to respond to me when I mentally ask him something.. when Im hearing him respond, he tends to be answering me when Im about half way throu my question to him.

 

I know that he hadnt read from my mind basic things early on (before I'd thought to tell him not too) as he was making major mistakes due to his lack of knowledge on me.. eg at 11 days old, he offered me a coffee in his wonderland when in fact I dont drink coffee at all. He obviously must of picked up from my mind that its friendly to offer someone visiting coffee. (note I havent had a coffee drinking visitor since he was created so he didnt get the idea from that).

 

He thou had picked up obviously good language skills from my mind without having to be taught so he must of got that from my mind.

 

I was hearing an amazing orchestra playing today inside my head which I think must of been coming from him (I was focused on him at the time, working on visualising him when I heard that and the clarity of all the different instruments isnt something I could imagine).. being new, he hasnt been exposed to an orchestra at all since he was created. (Im mostly home bound and dont tend to watch TV.. actually it wasnt even working till this week as it needed a part), so that orchestra and song (it was a christmas song and it had the right words too), must of come from knowledge he'd picked up from inside my brain. (My stereo is still not set up yet due to a house move so I havent even been listening to music so he hasnt been exposed to it there).

 

So it seems a bit random the info he's picked up from my mind. (Ive since told him once I realised he was picking things up from my mind, not to delve in there till I give him consent). No idea how much he picked up thou in the first couple of weeks before I told him not to do that. It would be interesting to know how much they can get out of ones mind (without being told about it) in the first couple of weeks. I may hold off giving permission to go there to try to find out. (It would be in breach of his programming if he went against my wishes and did it now that he's been told not to do so).

[Independent]

So you don't really have freedom when you're thinking of anything according to what you two said. I asked this because I couldn't find out from people wrtiting in forums and neither could I find a question for this. So if I have Tulpa and I'm writing or something than he/she will be able to immediately know what I'm doing. But can they stop this if you ask them, or they'll just behave like they don't know what you are thinking?

 

Also from what tania said: If you allow your tulpa to get acces to your mind... Well, then he/she won't be able to read all your memories in a seconds but will need time to do that?

 

And will my tulpa choose randomly of my memories or if I think of something then they'll find that memory more easily?

 

Thank you for the replies again, I appreciate the help.

[Kiahdaj]

If you ask your tulpa to stop "reading your mind", then I'm sure they will. But like I said before, they don't have to do anything you ask.

 

I haven't given my tulpa access to my memories, so I can't speak from personal experience, but I imagine giving them access just... Gives them access.

They would instantly be able to remember anything you remember, if brought up. But it's not as though they can see all the memories instantly.

I'd imagine it would be as if they know it, but don't know that they know it, until they think about it.

 

Your tulpa can randomly choose memories to go through, yes. Also, if you trigger a memory, then if they're around, I'm sure it would trigger for them, as well.

[Lacquer]

>So, personality: I've read some guides as I said and I don't understand how it works, do you have to start by saying all the traits you want him/her to have or you should start by simply talking with your tulpa or sometimes telling him/her how was your day going and sometimes tell him/her the traits?

Personality is generally a very personal process. But first, I want to show you what you seem to be asking. "do you have to start by saying all the traits you want him/her to have" is closer to the popular definition of "personality forcing". "you should start by simply talking with your tulpa or sometimes telling him/her how was your day going" is close to the popular definition of "narration". Both of these things are important and should be done. Generally, people start with personality and move into narration later, do both concurrently, or go straight into narration. It is pretty much pointless to do narration then personality, but this is just conjecture on my part.

 

Moving on, for personality forcing, it can be done in a nearly infinite number of ways, as I had said earlier with it being a very persona process. Some people like just repeating the trait over and over again. Some people like to expand each trait into a couple to a few sentences, and repeat that over and over. Some people like to focus on a trait for a length at a time, just talking about it and going into detail about it as it happens. Some people make a symbolic visualization of each trait (things like potions, orbs, etc.) and add/fuse/etc them into a symbolic representation of their tulpa. Some people like to imagine their tulpa in situations that exemplify that trait of theirs, and have the tulpa act it out like a puppet. Some people make up an entirely new system for forcing personality that's all their own.

 

I, personally, am doing something that is a mix of a couple. I have the cheesy symbolism with "potions" that each represent a trait mixing in a bowl that contains my future tulpa's "soul" or something, but this is only a visual component that accompanies my verbal describing of the trait, which is me delving into the specifics of the trait.

 

A tip for personality I feel I should say is to have as many traits as need be, and organize them underneath supertraits. This is scommonly referred to by the "umbrella trait" method. Keep each trait one word long (two if it is hyphenated).

 

>Visualization: If I start creating my tulpa, then should I talk to the nothing, or something that I can easily form like a cloud or immediately think of a form with the personality?

Some start with a formless tulpa (and visualize after personality is complete, with either the host or tulpa choosing a form), and some start with a fully decided form. You can go either way, or something in between. I, personally, am going with a formless tulpa until she reaches sapience, at which we will work together on her form.

 

>Wonderland: As I read, Visualization is hard when you aren't doing it in there because anything can distract you, and in wonderland it's easier. So should I use "real life", Wonderland, or blackness when I close my eyes.

Whatever works best for you. You could have a blank canvas of black or white. You could have a snapshot of the room you're in. You could make an imaginary house for your tulpa to live in and for you to visit when active forcing. You could make entire worlds in your head (but I wouldn't recommend this until you're experienced).

 

>And I also read that your Tulpa is able to form Wonderland as he/she likes. But is this only working when you're there or anytime of the day even when you're sleeping.?

Sleep has nothing to do with it. From what I've heard, tulpa are independent of sleep. They can sleep while you're awake, they can be awake while you're asleep. Hell, they can even act as a pretty accurate alarm clock, if need be.

 

>Response: So I read many kind of experiences about this, I heard there are people saying that your need 100 hours to hear your tulpa but there are others who say that he/she talked right after the basics of the creating. Sooo... What do you think the avrage is and how long it took to your tulpa(s) to start talking.

Whatever you do, DO NOT have preconcieved notions of how long it takes to make a tulpa. I mean, I would put limits on that (100 hours is pretty damn long, and if your tulpa starts talking back within a few hours, you're just deluding yourself), but outside of that, just let things happen as they happen.

 

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Something that you always should acknowledge and accept is deviation. This can happen with the personality or form, and it represents the tulpa moving closer to your subconscious ideal (or so it seems). If your tulpa suddenly looks different as long as it isn't so drastic as to signal an intrusive thought, it should be fine, and even welcomed. I don't want to say encouraged, because at that point you're setting up expectations, which are bad.

 

I'll finish off with a quote from one of FAQ Man's guides:

If I outlined everything in this piece, there would be no surprises left for you to experience. No awe invoking moments that make having a tulpa so interesting and fun. I think knowing everything beforehand would ruin the experience.

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Also, I knew I forgot something: I read that your Tulpa can get acces to your subconscious. That means my tulpa has all of my memories and experiences but he/she will only tell me if he/she wants to (that's how I think it is, correct me if I'm wrong). But can the tulpa read your mind at the actual moment when you're thinking about something or it takes some time for them to know what you're thinking?

 

"but he/she will only tell me if he/she wants to". Most of the time tulpa aren't mean like that, so they should answer when you ask.

 

"But can the tulpa read your mind at the actual moment when you're thinking about something or it takes some time for them to know what you're thinking?" Yes, keyword "can". It is possible to not give your tulpa your memories at all, and it is possible to give them full real-time access. It is also possible to have it be somewhere in between. If you could choose, how would you prefer this system works? Take your answer, and repeat it back to yourself. That is how your tulpa and your memory work.

 

Again, I'll describe my plans. Using the example described in FAQ's guide, there can be a specific event of giving the tulpa one's memories. Before this point, the tulpa cannot access your memories. After this point is what's different for everyone. I am making it so that everything up to that point is fair game, and she can access it instantly and effortlessly, with even less effort than it takes for me to access those same memories. My real-time memories are also stored in this same reservoir, but not my direct senses and thought-feed. Sense-sharing and telepathy are possible, but not automatic.

 

Hopefully this was helpful.

[Independent]

Thank you for your time writing this reply, it really helped a lot for me to understand a lot of things I wanted to know. And also about that they can change wonderland, the only thing I don't understand is that... well, they are... changing your memory of that place?... or... I really don't get this part but it's not that important...

 

Thanks once again for the long answer!