Rational conflict.

[Simply Rational]

I have been attempting to create a tulpa for 2 or so months now, 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes at night. I started with 30 hours of just focusing on its individual personality traits, then I tried narration.

 

The only evidence that will ever be available is the word of people on this site, there is no way for me to sense another's tulpa. I think the lack of evidence might be stopping me from sufficiently believing in my tulpa.

 

That's not to say I have given up, I have found that I am able to focus on the ball of green light form I want it to maintain when it is at rest. I cant see it with my eyes open, but I am able to picture it in my wonderland, talking to it here feels far more comfortable, even if it doesn't move or respond.

 

I would like to hear from people with personal experience creating and maintaining a tulpa, what tips can you offer?, what was the first way your tulpa communicated?

 

I am not able to be hypnotized, nor be able to meditate. Now matter how much I rationalize it to myself that meditating is beneficial or how much I believe I want to be hypnotized it just doesn't seem to work. Could this be along the same lines of why I am having difficulty forcing a tulpa?

[CyberD]

Have you considered that perhaps you are over thinking the entire process? Surely based on the evidence you've collected you must have noticed that a lot of people don't care about the rational side of the process.

They seem to have an easier time because they aren't worried about those things.

 

I on the other hand like to think I look at the process from a rational point of view. Taking a rational approach is simple. All you need to do is outline exactly what a tulpa is and then ask yourself if that is possible. What other people think and do with their tulpa isn't nearly as important as what you believe is possible. You don't need to witness other peoples tulpa, you can't, that's not what a tulpa is.

 

To me a tulpa very much like what we perceive to be our consciousness. Over the years, since the day you were born, what you consider to be "you" has formed inside your head. If you took away all of your senses then what is left? Just this consciousness that has been created, just "you".

 

What you are trying to do is create another consciousness. If one formed by itself then what is to say another can't be created? The tulpa process actively tackles this idea and sets you on the path to create another mind, another sentience, completely within your head.

You can stare at the ball of light all you like but in your mind it is just that. Unless you believe the ball can speak or will change it never will.

By giving the idea that is your budding tulpa an imaginary body and by interacting with it in an imaginary environment you can speed up the process, you can learn what it feels like to perceive the idea as foreign and work on getting so used to it that it feels independent to "you".

 

As far as meditation goes, I don't meditate. I don't even put aside time to interact with my tulpa exclusively. Yet I've had my tulpa for over a year now and he has grown tremendously. With the simple understanding above you could completely disregard meditating as unnecessary because meditation doesn't work for everyone.

 

Persistence and understanding is all I think you really need. You can create and maintain an interesting and potentially complex tulpa easily with those two things. Know what your tulpa is and don't get too wrapped up in the perceived success of others.

[Guest]

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[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

Um... welp, I'm still pretty new at this, so I probably won't be much help buuuut~

 

Form is pretty important, though it doesn't have to be the first thing you make. It really just depends on what you're comfortable with. Me, I'm just weird, I can talk to literally nothing with ease, mainly because it's easy for me to pretend and believe that the nothing is something. My tulpa barely has a form. Most people though feel silly or stupid talking to nothing, I'm sure you do too. The glowing orb is a good start, but stop thinking of it as a glowing ball and start thinking of it as another person, like Xeare said. Talk to it and teach it everything you can. Cuz if you don't, it'll stay as a glowing ball and won't become anything more.

 

Oh, and also~ Evidence shmevidence. Just forget about it. Evidence is like, nothing. It doesn't matter now, okai? Okai. Just start thinking that the creation of tulpa is completely possible and the existence of tulpas are a fact. As soon as you do, it'll get easier.

 

As for the first way my tulpa communicated... um, really muffled and fast gibberish that I could barely hear. Had to do a lot of translating. Still do (like I said, still new). He's also made random parts of my body feel tingly and stuff. It was weird o.O

[frankwilliams]

I know exactly what you're talking about, as I find myself in the same situation often. Sometimes, none of this makes sense to me at all. It's a pretty huge thing to wrap your head around.

 

The only reason I believed any of this enough to try it is because I was big into lucid dreaming a few years ago and was really fascinated by the subconscious mind, and viewed this as an extension of that. It came naturally to me because for me, it was already grounded in a concept I understood and accepted.

 

What you have to do is find for yourself whether any of this makes sense or not, and more importantly - the reason it makes sense or does not.

 

Everyone here has a different reason for believing they could make a tulpa. Of course, this is a huge mental leap - to believe you can create another consciousness inside your own head, that's a big leap from everyday life - people have to mentally adjust to that. They have to explain to themselves how that can be possible, and try to reconcile it with their current view of the world.

 

Imagine if aliens landed in New York tomorrow; that'd be a pretty unbelievable thing - people would have to adjust mentally. They would search for their own answers inside themselves for how such a thing could be possible, until they found it they would be uneasy. It's the same thing.

 

Everyone here has a different "reason" for believing in any of this. Some people think it's a cool trick of psychology, some people think it's some sort of act of emotional compassion, some think it's metaphysics or something spiritual, some don't care and just want to talk to anime characters. Reading this paragraph, some of these reasons will inevitably seem stupid to you. That's fine. Just find your own reason that makes sense to you - it's all you can do, really.

 

And if it doesn't make sense, then it doesn't, and we are all insane. That's fine too.

 

But if you are really dead-set on this, and it seems like you are, then you need to find your own reason. If it would help, I can share mine. I'm sure you'll get plenty of different reasons from just this thread alone, though.

 

Also, more information on your current situation would help. What exactly are you having trouble with?

[Simply Rational]

Okay, I have decided to completely stop this en devour to pursue other goals. Thanks for the advice and such, I have not achieved any kind of response that I would consider being separate to myself, I was unable to feel or see a thoughtform, I have failed in my attempts through and through.

[Linkzelda]

I have been attempting to create a tulpa for 2 or so months now, 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes at night. I started with 30 hours of just focusing on its individual personality traits, then I tried narration.

 

The only evidence that will ever be available is the word of people on this site, there is no way for me to sense another's tulpa. I think the lack of evidence might be stopping me from sufficiently believing in my tulpa.

 

That's not to say I have given up, I have found that I am able to focus on the ball of green light form I want it to maintain when it is at rest. I cant see it with my eyes open, but I am able to picture it in my wonderland, talking to it here feels far more comfortable, even if it doesn't move or respond.

 

I would like to hear from people with personal experience creating and maintaining a tulpa, what tips can you offer?, what was the first way your tulpa communicated?

 

I am not able to be hypnotized, nor be able to meditate. Now matter how much I rationalize it to myself that meditating is beneficial or how much I believe I want to be hypnotized it just doesn't seem to work. Could this be along the same lines of why I am having difficulty forcing a tulpa?

Here are some pointers you should consider if you're having trouble "hypnotizing" yourself:

 

Is it descriptive enough but also concise enough to help you reach your specific goal?

 

Are you trying too many goals at once with attempting hypnosis?

 

How do you go about speaking throughout the hypnosis?

 

Usually the tonality of your voice helps A LOT compared to just the words themselves. The words, at least from what I've researched a bit, they're just a very small percentage in hypnosis working. You have to be able to develop voices for the right occasion (example: If you wanted to just relax, you would speak in a slow, confident, and relaxed tone of voice. But if you wanted to do something exhilarating, you have to shift your tone to something of a slightly higher pitch and faster tone.

 

Here is an example of tonality in the series of questions I'll put below:

 

As you're reading this, can you hear yourself mentally increasing your voice and at a slightly higher pitch? Can you imagine yourself having a short of breath as you try to state all of this as fast as you can? Do you feel that as I'm going through this, you're picking up words a bit faster than normal just to connect and relate to what I'm asking of you? In order to have your tulpa sentient and sapient, don't you feel it's practical that the anecdotal evidence is just experiential information? Maybe you're not remembering what you feel is important in your goal of having a tulpa? If you can imagine and foresee yourself succeeding, and holding on to that desire, then surely you can reach to the point of having a vocal, sentient, sapient, and creative tulpa right?

 

Another example of how a person might use a hypnosis script or saying in their head wrong meant for relaxation is this:

 

"I want you to relax! Stop those distracting thoughts now! What are you doing!!?!? STop! Now! Relax! Yes! Relax now, deepen your breaths now! On the count of 5, you will be relaxed! Relax and feel the soothing aura crawl within you now! Access the inner depths of your mind in order to let it imagine more for you now! Quickly! Relax! Deep breaths! 1! 2! 3! 4! You're getting closer!"

 

Noticed how just reading that was annoying as hell? You definitely wouldn't want someone to be saying that to you, or even you saying that to yourself when trying to relax. You'll get tensed up and jittery. Whether you're saying things mentally while mouthing the words, reading them aloud, or just mentally saying them alone, the tone matters...A LOT. You can still use a monotone voice, but you'll get bored really quickly if you can't put life in the words for hypnosis.

 

The words are just guides, you have to get in the mindset of an actor, someone that dives into the experience of the specific goal when using hypnosis. You have to imagine yourself doing the things you want to achieve, how you're feeling, how you're sensing everything, and slipping in suggestions in order to make it a conditioned response.

 

Whenever I go through a hypnosis script, I already assume I'm closer to a state of hypnosis or concentration, simply because I notice myself yawning faster as I'm relaxing, and my voice naturally goes slower, smoother, and is more relaxed. I focus more on the content, imagining the words, and the awareness of this is so high, I don't pay attention to the environment surrounding me. I don't look for failure, I look for myself devoting wholly to the task within the hypnosis and where I want to be.

 

Also, like others have stated with how you can start believing and the whole assuming sentience beforehand, it's all based on your faith. No matter how much anecdotal evidence there is on this, or how much time people took to have their tulpa manifest to them, it's best to learn things bit by bit. Which means if you have to focus on one goal, do it for a few days and really get yourself into seeing success. I don't know if you used the hypnosis scripts I made, but I'm planning to make a massive upgrade to that where people won't have to read the long and boring relaxing and deepening script.

 

With hypnosis, you want to use it as a supplement with traditional tulpaforcing methods, all it's really doing is increasing inward concentration so that you'll be able to have better focus on the task at hand. And as for meditation, it depends on what you're using, but overall, it's about seeing yourself where you want to be during the meditation, and just going through the processes, even if there's implications.

 

It varies on how quick our subconscious starts making the habits we do when meditating or using hypnosis part of a conditioned response. If you can't find joy in what you're doing, if you can't find something beneficial in what you're, if you worry more about lack of evidence and how anecdotal evidence is just experiential information, you can't imagine yourself succeeding, having a better tonality in your voice (if you were using hypnosis), and much more, then obviously it'll take a long time before anything becomes real to you.

[ChristianKl]

I am not able to be hypnotized, nor be able to meditate. Now matter how much I rationalize it to myself that meditating is beneficial or how much I believe I want to be hypnotized it just doesn't seem to work. Could this be along the same lines of why I am having difficulty forcing a tulpa?

Did you actually go to a hypnothist?

[tania]

As far as thinking that you cant be hypnotized.. I can say from my own experience with hypnotherapy that one can feel one isnt being hypnotized and need several sessions at least before one can suddenly notice the affects and realise that it must of been doing something all along. It just can take time to kick in on a practical level to where its actually noticably affecting. (I had 4-5 hypnosis sessions before it suddenly became clear it was working... I actually didnt "feel" hypnotised during any of the sessions but it worked in the end).