Tulpas Helping You Cheat Your Sleep Cycle?

[Bacn]

As many of you may know, it is possible to use a polyphasic sleep cycle to force your brain to go straight into REM sleep(the part of sleep that is believed to be the most important). This cuts down on time spent asleep while still allowing you to function.

 

Instead of depriving your body of sleep in order to force it to skip to REM sleep, is it possible for a tulpa to cause this change instead?

 

Theoretically, this would allow some one to have the benefit of more time during the day, but without the rigorous schedule that makes polyphasic sleep cycles hard to manage. However, though it sounds doable, it would require a tulpamancer who's highly developed enough to be able to alter their mind in a very dramatic way.

 

 

 

Has anyone attempted such a feat before?

 

Is anyone willing to give the idea a try?

 

How highly developed should/must a tulpa be in order to cause such a drastic change?

 

If tulpas are able to cause this change, would it also be possible to do it with other methods such as hypnosis?

[Shui]

Polyphasic sleep is an annoyingly persistent myth.

 

It's true that when you're deprived of sleep, you go into deep sleep faster. This is not a good thing.

 

NREM (non-rapid eye movement) sleep is when your brain rests neurotransmitters, allowing them to regain sensitivity. If not for this, norepinephrine, serotonin and histamine would lose effectivity, your brain would be unable to regulate your mood, and your learning ability would decline.

 

You'll see this if you read the accounts of people trying to become polyphasic. Supposedly polyphasic sleep gives you more time in your day, but in the accounts, that time is always spent struggling to stay awake -- none of it is productive time. The people become stupid and irritable until eventually they give up. When asked, they'll say they weren't able to get through the "initial adjustment phase", but they always believe that this is a flaw in themselves, and if they had gotten through it, they'd now be more productive, functioning members of society.

 

Polyphasic sleep might "work" for short periods, like for soldiers in war or people in other emergency situations. It is not, however, a healthy long-term practice.

 

The best way to optimize your sleep schedule is biphasic sleep -- one single nap, not to exceed two hours, in the first half of your day.

 

You can also replace sleep with anapana meditation, though at a 1:1 ratio: in other words, to lose one hour of sleep, you'd have to meditate for an hour. This will improve the functioning of your brain, but it will not give you more "active" or "productive" time in your day. Also, this will only replace the NREM sleep -- you still need the REM sleep.

[Chupi]

Isn't dropping directly into REM the effect of the WILD method for lucid dreaming? I haven't had any luck with that, tulpa or no, but Lyra has done something a few times to draw me closer to sleep without me actually drifting off.

 

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Polyphasic sleep is an annoyingly persistent myth.

Also note the followup article here, not that it changes much.

 

The author(s) who wrote that article sounds knowledgeable enough, but who are they? What qualifications do they have? They appear to be a group selling software that helps organize information and who knows what else since I can't be bothered to register and pay $1 to check out the free version.

 

Sources are cited, but it's not very many sources for the length of the article, and I haven't looked enough to see whether they're representative of current scientific knowledge in the area. None of the cited sources are scientific studies that directly conclude that polyphasic sleep is unhealthy or counterproductive. The article also relies heavily on data from their own freeware SleepChart program, which looks nice enough, but I don't know how accurately it reflects current sleep research. Either way, if no direct research into polyphasic sleep goes into the article and program, any conclusions drawn about polyphasic sleep are shaky at best.

[Shui]

Ok, how about this? Slow Wave Sleep (SWS) is the deepest level of NREM sleep. A study on SWS showed that it increased dramatically after a period of deprivation, indicating that the body needs SWS and tries to make up for SWS lost. Another study shows a link between SWS and learning, suggesting that the brain replays and reinforces memories during SWS.

[Bacn]

I appreciate your concern Shui, but healthy or no I'm still interested to see if it's possible.

 

Isn't dropping directly into REM the effect of the WILD method for lucid dreaming? I haven't had any luck with that, tulpa or no, but Lyra has done something a few times to draw me closer to sleep without me actually drifting off.

 

From my understanding the WILD technique revolves around waiting until REM sleep, rather than skipping to it. But there are certainly people out there with more experience than I.

 

Although now that I think of it, I should probably look into the possibility of tulpa-assisted WILDing.

[Chupi]

Ok, how about this? Slow Wave Sleep (SWS) is the deepest level of NREM sleep. A study on SWS showed that it increased dramatically after a period of deprivation, indicating that the body needs SWS and tries to make up for SWS lost. Another study shows a link between SWS and learning, suggesting that the brain replays and reinforces memories during SWS.

 

This does suggest that polyphasic sleep, particularly the schedules with no longer sleep period, would have some bad effect. However it's still not really conclusive. One study shows more SWS following no sleep, which could just as easily be an artifact of bouncing back from sleep deprivation. The other shows a correlation between SWS and activity in brain areas associated with memory and learning. Again, suggests the purpose of SWS, but doesn't show that it's necessary.

 

Some actual studies on the effects of polyphasic sleep schedules would be most useful in evaluating how well they work and what sorts of risks and side effects it carries.

[Nyanrlathotep]

What a great place to make my first post after a year of long lurking, anyways i wanted to chime in to say that im a poly phasic sleeper during the summer and swap to a biphasic schedule during the school year. The "unproductive time awake" is really only present during the first week or two of adjustment^^ otherwise i feels like waking up from a mid afternoon nap.

[Nyanrlathotep]

It* and i also remembered a couple months ago berry woke me up 30 minutes before my morning alarm. So i assume this would be possible.

[Linkzelda]

It's kind of hard to distinguish if it's our tulpae really waking us up that early or us just going through auto-suggestion that feels like it's them helping us because of the expectations of them being able to wake us up 30 minutes or whatever minutes before an alarm or just waking up in general. I usually ask Eva to wake me up in the middle of the night (without being too specific), or just waking me up early in the morning, and nearly all the time she does that, but after a while it's probably just a person's natural sleeping cycles at play.

 

But I guess having a vocal tulpa that would literally tell you to wake up would make the difference. But anything other than that seems to just be auto-suggestion laced with same faith that our tulpae has some contribution to altering or waking us at certain intervals during N-REM and REM sleep.

 

We can't forget about having an unconscious mind that even our tulpa would take some time to be proficient and interacting with. Because when we start sublimating faith that our "tulpa" did it rather that unconscious mind doing it, we'll start thinking everything is the workings of our tulpa when we're just giving signals for the unconscious to create experiences and simulations to make it feel like it was them. There's just some common logic with what our tulpa can do, and what is really just the unconscious mind in general at work with things like this.

 

But again, the breakthrough that makes the difference in this personally is having a vocal tulpa (mind-voice and/or actual auditory imposition)

[hagalaz9]

It's funny you mention this, because I feel like this has been happening to me recently. I've been having my tulpa coax me into sleep lately, and the result has been incredibly vivid and long dreams. I'm familiar with MILD and WILD techniques; perhaps this plays a part