Indirectly judging another's tulpa?

[CreativeMind]

I've noticed in the short time I've been here that certain 'form types' of tulpa seem to get a lot more attention and are more widely accepted or deemed 'interesting'. This isn't something that I do personally, I've read reports on all kinds of tulpa, and would just as freely give advice regardless of what your tulpa looks like.

 

I mean, isn't that what the community is here for? We all have similar goals, but I feel people overlook their fellow tulpamancers (perhaps subconsciously) when their appearance doesn't fit their own personal preference. Like, a tulpa is a tulpa, they all have unique personalities, just like their hosts, and they're all equally capable of doing great things regardless of their appearance.

 

So I was just wondering, have you noticed a trend? Or have you been guilty of this? No shame in it really, I don't think anybody -intentionally- ignores someone else for the form of their tulpa. I dunno, just kind of wanted to bring the subject up and see if anybody else felt similarly.

[TulpaCouple]

People are often judgemental no matter what community they are in! People might judge others for having tattoos or liking a show they don't like or even just for no real reason at all.

 

Tulpas with forms based on cartoons and such tend to get judged--well, maybe not the tulpa his/herself, but the host, because the person already judges people who watch that show anyway, so, that will lead to some judgement. Not that it's right, but it happens. Especially when they generally find they dislike the types of people who watch those shows, assumptions are made.

 

One thing that my tulpa said once was that he feels that above all else, a tulpa should be a tulpa first, and their form second, rather than the other way around. By that he means that the form should not be the big part that makes them who they are--they are a person, with likes and interests above all else. There are certain forms that, sadly, are more commonly created to revolve more around the gimmick of their form, rather than being created and treated with respect for them as a person. Often treated more like servitors than tulpas. That's not to say every one of these tulpas who share this type of form are like this, as you can find tulpas of every shape and size who are given complete independence and life and go beyond that of simply being there to be a cutesy thing to look at. Now the really unfortunate part of this is of course that it's noticeable to others, and that will make them see someone making a tulpa of a certain form and immediately assume that this person is likely just another creating a tulpa based on form alone, and then that person will generally get ignored. Unless of course that person or their tulpa reaches out to others. People don't generally reject tulpas based on form, especially when they are calling out to others for friendship.

 

So there are definitely people who ignore tulpas based on their form--at least based on immediate assumptions that are created based on past history with tulpas of similar forms. That's something that's difficult to avoid. It is a big community though, so in general everyone finds their niche.

[CreativeMind]

I agree, and I'm not saying that I'm 'appauled' in any way, as you put it, it's just the way people are. I just feel there'd be a lot more 'brotherly love' (you know what I mean), if nobody ever discussed their tulpae's forms.

 

I don't know, I guess I was just kind of hoping that this would be some sort of reminder to not judge a host/tulpa unless they've done something wrong. Preferences in tv/anime/video games is not 'wrong', and shouldn't blatantly define a person or their tulpae.

 

Also: I don't want a niche. :) I like everyone here until they give me reason not to.

[CyberD]

It doesn't matter where you go or what you are doing. People will always judge other people. Right now I am judging you and by reading this you are judging me.

First impressions count for everything whether we like to admit that or not. In meeting another person you judge them based on what you see. Their age, their appearance, male, female. The list goes on as you continue to interact with them.

Interaction is typically broken off (or takes a negative turn) when something out of the norm is seen. Maybe the person is too excitable... or maybe they based their tulpa on a pony.

 

As far as judging tulpa goes, form comes first because that's what you see first. Often it is all you can know about someone else's tulpa unless you speak with them for quite some time. Some forms are interesting to some and not to others. People are categorized and interaction continued (or ends) from there.

On these forums ponies... or anime (or cartoons) themed tulpa, are the obvious example. Some people don't have an interest in those things and they see no reason to interact with people who identify with those things. With millions of possible people to interact with on the internet why waste time with someone who identifies with something you don't.

 

Personally I avoid some groups, we all do. I am quick to judge but on the other side of it I don't mind interacting with people I wouldn't otherwise if they approach me directly.

People do intentionally ignore others based on their tulpa. I'll happily say that I tend to ignore people who identify themselves as "bronies"... I also tend to ignore those two line progress report threads and the people involved with them. I don't have time to talk to everyone so I'd rather communicate with those I find to be interesting.

It might be worth adding that I don't bother "hating" someone. It's not worth the effort, much better things to do with my time.

 

This is how I see it, and probably how a lot of others do too.

Human form tulpa - Ordinary.

Monster, mythical or shapeshifter - Active imagination.

Pony/Anime form tulpa - Niche.

Human male with a female tulpa female - Is the tulpa just female because that's hot?

Human female with a male tulpa - Same as above... or worse (fangirl?)

[Joker]

I'm a bit guilty of this, sort of. I don't judge anyone's tulpa, but I do judge the bronies here who choose to make a tulpa in the form of an established pony from the show. As a matter of fact, those using any established character from any medium. Keep in mind, I'm a brony myself. I love the show. I can't help but think, however, that the creator will expect the tupla to act as the character from the show does. This is of course not exactly going to happen, which could cause the creator to be disappointed and the tulpa to feel bad.

 

I only think that it isn't a good idea to use an unoriginal form, particularly one with a personality already created for it.

[arbiterspartan]

One thing that my tulpa said once was that he feels that above all else, a tulpa should be a tulpa first, and their form second, rather than the other way around. By that he means that the form should not be the big part that makes them who they are--they are a person, with likes and interests above all else.

 

My own tulpa, Thel, has the same view. For a while I felt kind of conflicted for having based his form off of Sangheili, a fictional race of aliens I've always had an interest in. I saw it as sort of "using him" to exploit that interest. But he told me a few times that his form "doesn't matter to him". At first I thought he meant he wanted to change/be a shapeshifter, but I've learned that what he meant was that his form is merely a method by which I can perceive him in a way I can comprehend and "see". It isn't representative of him as a whole, much the same way a person's own body does not entirely define who they are. So it doesn't offend him that I chose his form out of my interests. And I've learned to adopt a similar view of other tulpas.

[CreativeMind]

It doesn't matter where you go or what you are doing. People will always judge other people. Right now I am judging you and by reading this you are judging me.

First impressions count for everything whether we like to admit that or not. In meeting another person you judge them based on what you see. Their age, their appearance, male, female. The list goes on as you continue to interact with them.

Interaction is typically broken off (or takes a negative turn) when something out of the norm is seen. Maybe the person is too excitable... or maybe they based their tulpa on a pony.

 

I understand what you are saying, and yes, this might be considered common sense. It's really unfortunate though that nobody is completely understanding of what I'm trying to get across. I suppose I can break it down further.

 

This isn't a gamer forum, a pony forum, a roleplaying forum, this is a tulpa forum. It even says at the top 'For Science!' This place is SUPPOSED to be for research, not drama, not hate, but for research. Now, I don't know how the community once was, but just looking at it now I can say that it would really do us some good if we were a little less judgmental.

 

And yes, that means not letting what a person chooses to use as their tulpa's form be what you judge a person by. I understand the 'that's not my interest' aspect, I really honestly do, but if you're the type to fully read an intricate, interesting thread and then at the bottom of the OP's post you see their tulpa is a pony and decide to disregard that (helpful, intricate) response you were thinking, you should check yourself, because that's not supposed to matter here. Sure, have your opinions, everyone is entitled to him, but I don't think it's appropriate if we really want to stick to what this forum was put into place for. Which I'm assuming was to further the development of the 'understanding' (if you would call it that) of the tulpae phenomenon.

 

Do I believe what everyone here says? Of course not. Do I think some people here just might want attention? Yes, as you've said, there will be those people wherever you go. However, I cannot control those people. What I CAN control is my own behavior and how I choose to treat those around me, whether or not I understand them or their interests, because I've never had to walk a mile in their shoes, and they've never had to walk in mine.

 

I am here to learn and help where I can. Like I said, I thought that's what this place was here for. I really hope that I'm making my message a little more clear. I bet everyone's thinking 'Haha oh Creative, maybe if we lived in a perfect world.' Well, I'm doing my part, at least I can say that much. I do come off as a hopeless fool sometimes, I suppose, but hey that's just how I feel. -Shrug-

 

Nothing against you friend, we just share two different philosophies. ;)

 

I only think that it isn't a good idea to use an unoriginal form, particularly one with a personality already created for it.

 

I understand what you're saying though: It does come off as a bit selfish to potentially put your tulpa in that kind of situation. I feel in this circumstance you are not so much judging other bronies as you are feeling compassion and sympathy for their tulpae. I would be inclined to say that I agree with you.

 

Some people view this as a game, and it's really unfortunate. I can tell you take it very seriously, and I really respect you for that. True compassion is hard to come by, and if you can feel empathy for someone that you will never be able to meet or see (the tulpae), well then you're pretty awesome.

 

I saw it as sort of "using him" to exploit that interest. But he told me a few times that his form "doesn't matter to him". At first I thought he meant he wanted to change/be a shapeshifter, but I've learned that what he meant was that his form is merely a method by which I can perceive him in a way I can comprehend and "see". It isn't representative of him as a whole, much the same way a person's own body does not entirely define who they are.

 

This is exactly what I was trying to say. That a tulpa's appearance should not define the tulpa. I understand if you're weary of something, but if the host seems to be authentic, the way their tulpa looks shouldn't mean anything.

 

Wow guys I must look like a pretty naive girl to anyone who's been here for more than a few weeks. That's okay. At least now you guys know what kind of person I am and how much I care about all the sentient beings. Pfffft. I want to push positivity, because everybody benefits. Now go do something nice for your mom or brother or something. -shot-

[Spartanelete]

When my tulpas are judged, the judges are quite vocal about it...

 

>_<

 

 

*sad face*

 

 

But I try not to judge other tulpas based on their forms. I don't think I have yet either. It's all about what's on the inside.

[CyberD]

I understand what you are saying, and yes, this might be considered common sense. It's really unfortunate though that nobody is completely understanding of what I'm trying to get across. I suppose I can break it down further.

 

This isn't a gamer forum, a pony forum, a roleplaying forum, this is a tulpa forum. It even says at the top 'For Science!' This place is SUPPOSED to be for research, not drama, not hate, but for research. Now, I don't know how the community once was, but just looking at it now I can say that it would really do us some good if we were a little less judgmental.

 

And yes, that means not letting what a person chooses to use as their tulpa's form be what you judge a person by. I understand the 'that's not my interest' aspect, I really honestly do, but if you're the type to fully read an intricate, interesting thread and then at the bottom of the OP's post you see their tulpa is a pony and decide to disregard that (helpful, intricate) response you were thinking, you should check yourself, because that's not supposed to matter here. Sure, have your opinions, everyone is entitled to him, but I don't think it's appropriate if we really want to stick to what this forum was put into place for. Which I'm assuming was to further the development of the 'understanding' (if you would call it that) of the tulpae phenomenon.

 

Do I believe what everyone here says? Of course not. Do I think some people here just might want attention? Yes, as you've said, there will be those people wherever you go. However, I cannot control those people. What I CAN control is my own behavior and how I choose to treat those around me, whether or not I understand them or their interests, because I've never had to walk a mile in their shoes, and they've never had to walk in mine.

 

I am here to learn and help where I can. Like I said, I thought that's what this place was here for. I really hope that I'm making my message a little more clear. I bet everyone's thinking 'Haha oh Creative, maybe if we lived in a perfect world.' Well, I'm doing my part, at least I can say that much. I do come off as a hopeless fool sometimes, I suppose, but hey that's just how I feel. -Shrug-

 

Nothing against you friend, we just share two different philosophies. ;)

 

Oh Creative, maybe if we lived in a perfect world everyone would get along. We wouldn't judge and science would get done.

First impressions matter and my impression of you so far is that I find your view to be refreshing. Ideally I'd love to be able to help everyone too but that is far too ambitious. I choose my battles and help/interact with those I think will further the process for everyone involved.

 

You think we share different philosophies but honestly I feel the same way about most of that stuff. If I were more eloquent I'd ramble about how that is true but in the end it'd just be a block of text saying pretty much what you said in the quote.

 

Keep it up, try not to repeatedly step on anyone's toes (dunno if that has happened yet or not) and remember that the tulpa process is a long one that I feel should continue till the end of your life. I continue with my tulpa and stick around the forums because I care about him. If science gets done here today then great but if all I see is people I don't really find interesting... then maybe tomorrow.

[CreativeMind]

 

Oh Creative, maybe if we lived in a perfect world everyone would get along. We wouldn't judge and science would get done.

First impressions matter and my impression of you so far is that I find your view to be refreshing. Ideally I'd love to be able to help everyone too but that is far too ambitious. I choose my battles and help/interact with those I think will further the process for everyone involved.

 

You think we share different philosophies but honestly I feel the same way about most of that stuff. If I were more eloquent I'd ramble about how that is true but in the end it'd just be a block of text saying pretty much what you said in the quote.

 

Keep it up, try not to repeatedly step on anyone's toes (dunno if that has happened yet or not) and remember that the tulpa process is a long one that I feel should continue till the end of your life. I continue with my tulpa and stick around the forums because I care about him. If science gets done here today then great but if all I see is people I don't really find interesting... then maybe tomorrow.

 

Haha, I appreciate this conversation, I really do. Well, I understand that 'you can't help everyone', and I really do agree. My point was mostly that whether or not you help a person (as you are able to) shouldn't really be determined by (in this situation) the form of their tulpa. I really hope that makes sense.

 

As you and I both know, there is only so much that one person can do. I won't let things bother me, just do what I can and feel satisfied with myself for doing so. I appreciate that your efforts are to help the community progress (via assisting those who are taking tulpamancing seriously and are after the same thing) and understand your views and don't hold any of your opinions against you. You have your reasons to feel the way that you do about certain groups, I'm sure.

 

Just trying to keep it about the tulpae, I guess is my motto here. Everything else is just variables that don't really define the tulpa or limit their progress. (The host would be responsible for that.) Again, thank you for the conversation, a pleasure to chat with you. I wish you and your tulpa nothing but the best. :)