Creating a tulpa of my actual subconscious, or extentions of myself.

[GrillNinja]

Hello everyone, my name is Chris.

My questions for the for the metaphysical types out there:

 

1. I want to create a tupla or maybe a servitor that literally represents my subconscious. I know how, I've read the guides, but I am looking for practical second opinions on the wisdom of this.

 

2. I suspect our personalities and self awareness are in themselves tulpa-like. Thus who we are can be shaped like one too. I think I have done this myself, has anyone else? If so, what were the consequences/ effects (if any) for you?

 

About myself:

I have been checking this site out for a couple weeks and decided to become a member. I am an artist. I dig mysticism and science. I love psychology and my geek power is mighty. I love trying to figure out how reality works and what it all means. I feel too many people take life too seriously, even though every bit of it is serious business. The mind and thought forms have always been something I liked and goes hand in hand with my imagination.

 

Hell, half of tulpa forcing seems to be what I do when I make characters for stories anyway. I am posting in the meta side of things because this is where my heart lives.

 

Anyway, I am looking forward to what you have to say.

[Quilten]

First off, you sound like a really cool guy, and we share a lot of similarities, it seems.

 

In theory, there doesn't seem to be any sort of disadvantage to making a tulpa a literal archetype or representation of your subconscious mind, but it might prove to become more or less...awkward. I might suggest creating a tulpa who can communicate with your subconscious (both of mine can), and therefore communicate things that you want to know about it.

 

I'm not sure what specific purpose you wanted, but i'm sure that there wouldn't be too too many problems.

[Shui]

Check out this. It's Out of Body Experiences, by Robert Peterson, Chapter 10, about talking to one's subconscious.

[Enoch327]

Isn't that the point of most self-help books? You create an ideal you character and then you step in to it, and it becomes you. A new and better you. Try it and let us know how it goes.

[GrillNinja]

Yea Shui thanks for the link, that's a really useful reference. I might go more that route when I cultivate my relationship with my own subconscious.

 

Quilten - Yea giving it a face might be a good way to go other than "soupy dream monster that speaks in vague metaphors". Ya know, like a Dali painting with legs, and it would probably sound like the last Do Do from Looney Tunes... probably singing that fox song for the moment.

 

Yea Enoch, while a work in progress, I have been working toward just that. Becoming myself so to speak. I have had some success with it already. For example, I have a spatula I use in workings - and sometimes I wield it on a dance floor. Looks goofy as hell, but there's power in it. I have found that if doing something makes me laugh like a mad scientist, it's probably worth doing. With this tulpa thing I am looking to further my knowledge and awareness. Having someone or something communicate with me directly about that is the sort of thing I feel that enthusiastically about.

 

Thanks guys! All thoughts are appreciated!

[Quilten]

It's no problem at all, i'm glad that you got your answers.

[Enoch327]

Yea Shui thanks for the link, that's a really useful reference. I might go more that route when I cultivate my relationship with my own subconscious.

 

Quilten - Yea giving it a face might be a good way to go other than "soupy dream monster that speaks in vague metaphors". Ya know, like a Dali painting with legs, and it would probably sound like the last Do Do from Looney Tunes... probably singing that fox song for the moment.

 

Yea Enoch, while a work in progress, I have been working toward just that. Becoming myself so to speak. I have had some success with it already. For example, I have a spatula I use in workings - and sometimes I wield it on a dance floor. Looks goofy as hell, but there's power in it. I have found that if doing something makes me laugh like a mad scientist, it's probably worth doing. With this tulpa thing I am looking to further my knowledge and awareness. Having someone or something communicate with me directly about that is the sort of thing I feel that enthusiastically about.

 

Thanks guys! All thoughts are appreciated!

 

There is power in ritual. If you use the same tools at the same time in the same way you make a groove. Or maybe a better way to look at is that you are forming a pattern in or out of Universal Life Energy. Happy dancing!

[GrillNinja]

 

There is power in ritual. If you use the same tools at the same time in the same way you make a groove. Or maybe a better way to look at is that you are forming a pattern in or out of Universal Life Energy. Happy dancing!

 

Oh yea totally, working shenanigans is like being a pool running about in circles to make a whirlpool. At first it only sorta maybe does stuff, but then it starts to move and then picks up it's own momentum and takes shape. How effective it is depends on the size of the pool, how much work put into it, modified by possible people moving with the work at hand, and then having enough knowledge and judgment to not get tripped up if it gets awesomesauce big... That momentum is used to carry one to other possible whirlpools... maybe? I think the metaphor breaks down there. In any case that is why I think reality is a spiral and fractal patterns more or less.

 

Dancing indeed!

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I am an artist. I dig mysticism and science. I love psychology and my geek power is mighty. I love trying to figure out how reality works and what it all means.

 

Seems like we'll get on splendidly, so I hope you stick around. I don't suppose you plan to expose your art here any time soon. I'm really curious about your creations.

 

Hell, half of tulpa forcing seems to be what I do when I make characters for stories anyway. I am posting in the meta side of things because this is where my heart lives.

 

Absolutely! That's exactly how my first 'tulpa' spontaneously (some might say "accidentally") emerged.

 

I think there might be a couple possible issues regarding the manifestation of a 'tulpa' that represents your entire subconscious, but awkwardness isn't one of them.

 

The unconscious, primal mind is inherently and perpetually mercurial, ephemeral and dynamic. It defies a static form and can only force submission or resignation of the so-called ego. Our awareness of it provides a glimpse into our true, illogical, fluxing formlessness.

 

So, the biggest problem I think anyone will face in trying to extricate their subconscious in whole is the preconception and expectation of what it is or is not. By all appearances, it is the unruly collective that defines the phenomenal self, and perceives recondite information about the nature of reality as much as it stores personal memories. It's every dream you've ever had, and will have.

 

I agree with Quilten's approach, which is to craft a mindform that will act as a conduit between your consciousness and the vast ocean that dominates the other ~95% of your cognitive processes. The result would be a 'psychopomp' (which is what I call mine, with due credit to Jung) thoughtform -- a fragment of your subpsyche that has combined with your conscious self to create a more stable, manageable interface.

 

With direct customization I'm sure you could eventually produce a sort of legitimate doppelgänger to help focus on your goal.

[GrillNinja]

 

Seems like we'll get on splendidly, so I hope you stick around. I don't suppose you plan to expose your art here any time soon. I'm really curious about your creations.

 

Good to meet ya!

If you want to see my art, take a look at deviant art under "GrillNinja". You should see the blue me with the robot monkey there which I totally drew before Avatar, and was going more for a Nightcrawler sort of thing ;D

 

 

I agree with Quilten's approach, which is to craft a mindform that will act as a conduit between your consciousness and the vast ocean that dominates the other ~95% of your cognitive processes. The result would be a 'psychopomp' (which is what I call mine, with due credit to Jung) thoughtform -- a fragment of your subpsyche that has combined with your conscious self to create a more stable, manageable interface.

 

With direct customization I'm sure you could eventually produce a sort of legitimate doppelgänger to help focus on your goal.

 

Yea I agree, a gate keeper. I think it will be some sort of gargoyle with freaky eyes. I don't know yet. That feels right.

 

In seekings, I have experienced a similar type of character as well. I am pretty certain it was my "totem spirit" - which I am pretty sure is a raven - wearing a face a I would trust which was... Harry Dresden. It looked and talked like the fictional character, but it felt like it was more there than some imaginary bupkis. It was a guide and point of reference for my consciousness. It was a deep, slightly scary, and very silly experience. But that's how I roll.