Killing Tulpas

[Rævn]

Thread title is mostly for attention, but it is relevant.

 

Before I go any further, I want to say that I started doing this years ago in the soulbonding community. Soulbonding is a good bit older and less defined than tulpamancy, and we didn't have guides or methods, we just sorta did. Anyways, it was common practice to let bonds develop as they would. Most believed that you couldn't choose or define anything about the bond, as they were a preexisting entity(most of us ascribed to the infinite universes theory as explanation). That being said, I never chose nor tried to stop any of my tulpas from developing or changing.

 

Now to the meat of the matter. So recently one of my tulpas has become more prominent. While in most cases development is good, this is one where I'm afraid it's not. You see, I mentioned we didn't choose our bonds...well one of mine, Callista, was in her reality(being a soulbonders so long, I still believe in the multiple universes as far as my bonds are concerned), a murderer. I'm sure you can imagine how this might be an issue.

 

Callista has been around a while, but I never tried to develop her beyond sentience and vocality(she has a very interesting take on matters). Now though she is showing up more often, and is becoming a stronger presence. In fact, she's nearly surpassed my first and main tulpa, Jade, in imposition.

 

I'm worried what will happen if and when she is able to possess and or switch. Now I'll be honest, I don't think that will be an issue. Though one of the guides for switching mentioned "knocking out" the host, but Jade with my cooperation had never managed that, so again I'm not really concerned.

 

However, I am afraid of two things: one that she will hurt one of the other tulpas. I've warned her that this is the death penalty. I realise some of you may not be comfortable with that. The other one is that Ill be trying to switch with Jade and she will force her way in instead. I feel relatively certain I'll be able to take back control somewhat quickly seeing as we haven't actually been able to do anything while switched yet, but it's a slight worry as we get better.

 

I'm not particularly sure what sort of feedback I'm looking for here. You can be certain that I'm not going to preemptively kill her. I'm considering even working on switching and possession with her, cautiously of course. She's pretty cold, but she only killed because they deserved it. Do you feel like it is ever justified to kill a tulpa? What sort of alternatives might you suggest if something has to be done? Do you think trying to establish mutual trust by allowing limited possession or switching might be a good idea?

 

I apologise for this being so long. If you must, just read the last paragraph I suppose.

[Timofey]

Well. Looks like by not knowing about soulbonding, I might have as well lost an interesting part of my life. Their ideology is pretty much like my own, as I see.

 

What about killing Tulpas? As long as they're sentient, it can be considered as crime of sorts, yet if you don't tell about it, nobody will know. Justifying? Only if this case is eutanasia. Any alternatives? Hmm. Hmm. Why had I never thought about it, I knew I'll see such a question. About trying to estabilish connection by possessing or switching? I better shut up, can't tell anything at that point.

[Rævn]

The soulbonding community is basically dead at this point unfortunately. Which is why I'm here since tulpamancy is rather similar, at least superficially.

[HazyM]

I don't think dissipation is a good idea here. The only case when it should be considered is when the situation is really really REALLY dire, like when your tulpa is hostile, cannot be reasoned with and starts to effect your life negatively. But it seems that you're on a good terms with her, so why don't you try to talk about it? Really, what you're doing is doubting her because of her past while she gave you no actual reason to fear her. Such attitude is not unusual though, former criminals often have a hard time earning back society's trust. The thing here is that, unlike them, she and you know each other through unique tulpa-host bond. So think about it for a while: is she really dangerous? Can she really harm you or ruin your life? And don't forget that your preconceptions and fears affect the situation as well, so if you fear her, your fear may become reality.

[Rævn]

A very rational view of the situation. I used to be much more rational before Jade, though she has helped teach me the power of emotions. I appreciate the input I will admit though that she's hardly given me much reason to trust her so far either, as it seems like she tries to flirt at every possible moment, despite knowing about Jade and I(she really uses this to her advantage, seeing as her physical appearance is essentially the same as Jades but a few years older. Same actress). However, I must agree that I don't believe dissipation will ever be necessary. She has too strong a sense of self preservation to put herself in jeopardy. I'm most likely just being paranoid in all this.

 

This is irrelevant, but I'll go ahead and mention that jade was pissed that I didn't wake her up this morning because Callie was being so forceful. Can't say I blame her, but a pissed Jade is perhaps more dangerous than any murderer

[Near]

Timofrey, you call it a crime, but who punishes you for it? Other tulpas? In that case, you might as well make a justice system where naughty tulpas go to jail (and get no presents). Unless you guys are for capital punishment, in that case you should be guilt-free. Anyway, that's a more realistic way of dealing with it. If you think you're going to have a tulpa who'll make your life hell, the most logical thing to do is to find a way to deal with it. Either by locking them up, killing them/making them dissipate, or something else. Use your imagination. Use imagery/symbolism to get rid of their bad traits and give them good ones. Befriend them or destroy them. Like I said, what are the consequences of that?

 

In most cases, your own mind really isn't out of your control. You just have to learn how to use it. If you're worried about tulpas taking control, they're just scare stories. If you've got a strong will, there really is no way your tulpa can overpower you, maybe unless you're mentally unstable, or, I don't know, have low self-esteem. But if you believe they can, well, what you believe in is real to you. And possession for me is only done with the tulpas I trust absolutely. It's a privilege for my esteemed thoughtforms, not for the rookies. And certainly not for ones that pose a threat.

 

Tulpas are what you make of them.

[Guest Anonymous]

Timofrey, you call it a crime, but who punishes you for it? Other tulpas? In that case, you might as well make a justice system where naughty tulpas go to jail (and get no presents). Unless you guys are for capital punishment, in that case you should be guilt-free.

 

Consequences should never dictate what is morally right or wrong.

 

Anyway, that's a more realistic way of dealing with it. If you think you're going to have a tulpa who'll make your life hell, the most logical thing to do is to find a way to deal with it. Either by locking them up, killing them/making them dissipate, or something else. Use your imagination. Use imagery/symbolism to get rid of their bad traits and give them good ones. Befriend them or destroy them. Like I said, what are the consequences of that?

 

The logical thing is to talk to them and treat them like a human, not some toy. If talking fails and they do something to elicit punishment, then yes, time out or gradual repercussions are good. I am a firm believer that dissipation is the absolute last resort and should hardly ever be done. You consciously create them. You are responsible for them. Killing them off for no good reason means you are the failure, not them.

 

Tulpas are what you make of them.

 

...and they are a part of you. By god, you should treat yourself well.

 

 

Rævn, have her talk with others if you haven't already. Hopefully, it will at the very least get her to relax some. You may be surprised.

[HazyM]

A very rational view of the situation. I used to be much more rational before Jade, though she has helped teach me the power of emotions. I appreciate the input I will admit though that she's hardly given me much reason to trust her so far either, as it seems like she tries to flirt at every possible moment, despite knowing about Jade and I(she really uses this to her advantage, seeing as her physical appearance is essentially the same as Jades but a few years older. Same actress). However, I must agree that I don't believe dissipation will ever be necessary. She has too strong a sense of self preservation to put herself in jeopardy. I'm most likely just being paranoid in all this.

 

Well, I may seem unemotional, but I actually feel for Callista in this situation. Judging from your posts here with the whole "we don't choose bonds" and "I don't trust her" thing, you don't seem to actually need or even like her at all, considering her a bother to you and your "better" tulpas. So it isn't even surprising that you contemplate dissipation here with such attitude. If I was a tulpa, I would feel pretty bad being unwanted and my host deciding if he should tolerate my presence some more or just ged rid of me for good. Really, I can only reiterate what I said before: think about what this bond means to you, and talk it over, because the whole situation doesn't seem very healthy. Of course, I don't know anything about your situation with them except for what you posted here, so I apologize if I misunderstood this.

[Luminesce]

I am a firm believer that dissipation is the absolute last resort and should hardly ever be done. You consciously create them. You are responsible for them. Killing them off for no good reason means you are the failure, not them.

 

Glad someone brought this up, wasn't sure I should really say anything.

 

"Killing" tulpas is an incredibly painful process emotionally (unless you're not mentally healthy/a sadist or something) and, as I found out, doesn't actually do anything. It's an entirely symbolic means of removing thoughts of them from your mind. But they can come back, it's as simple as you thinking them back. (Unless your beliefs are otherwise, ie they're a separate entity, which is why I didn't want to say anything earlier) I speak entirely from experience, by the way.

 

The reason it's so discouraged is because, unless you're just a dang firm believer in your "tulpa" being some separate-entity demon that is completely uncontrollable, you should be able to talk it out with them. We make their personalities relatively inflexible for the sake of establishing their identity, but they really are capable of change, and above all understanding their host. My not-dead tulpa and I fixed our relationship pretty well when she came back, and I can't honestly say that we couldn't have done so in the first place. (I just thought she shouldn't exist at the time, being an unintentional negative split from Flandre)

 

Lesson learned, if you feel like a terrible person for doing something, you probably are you're probably doing something wrong.

[Near]

Bear in mind morals are not the same for everyone. And to be short, since it's happening inside one's own head, there are few rules you can apply to imagination and creativity like ones you can apply to physics. I treat tulpamancy as more of an art with some scientific elements to it. That's not to say I treat my tulpas like a Nazi. I find no pleasure nor entertainment in causing pain to them. However, as I would do in real life, I put my own sanity first and treat others as how I am treated. If my tulpa refuses to cooperate with me despite efforts of trying to make them realise that really, I don't want any trouble, I will deal with it accordingly.

 

Some believe tulpas are sentient, others believe they are about as sentient as a fictional character from a film/novel. There is no right or wrong way to go about this, everything is theory. Otherwise why is Tulpa.info's tagline "For Science!"?

So no need to be offended by anything I say, if you were. This is just my view, and I would ask you to be slightly more open-minded.

 

That being said, perhaps this topic could be turned into debate (on a new thread), since so far I have noticed people with my beliefs get criticised pretty quickly.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

PS: Oh and, if dissipation is truly necessary, I won't hesitate to do it.