How badly do distractions "silence" your Tulpa?

[Toolbox]

I've been finding that, when I'm doing a high-attention activity such as conversation or playing a game, I'll completely forget about Hitamashii (my Tulpa), and she won't really do anything to get my attention. When she DOES have my attention, she's an absolute chatterbox. It is, unfortunately, rather disheartening and brings about the most toxic Tulpa poison in existence, the dreaded Doubt. I get to thinking that, maybe, it's really my own veiled consciousness voicing and guiding her instead of my subconscious.

 

Of course, the tip for "parrotnoia" is to give the Tulpa the benefit of the doubt, but that's easier said than done sometimes. I'm certainly trying, but my "anti-doubt walls" have the occasional leak.

 

My question, then, mainly directed at those who are confident in their Tulpa's existence: Do your Tulpas tend to quiet down/disappear when you're busy with something, or are they harder to get rid of than that? Either answer is a good thing, really; for the former, it means I'm not failing, and for the latter, it means there's that far-more-substantial existence to look forward to for us.

[Luminesce]

Definitely, and it sucks because they never complain about it. (Mine anyway, I know of others' that do) I have to maintain the intention for my tulpas to be active for them to be active. But all that means is that I'm doing something with them, and if I'm not, it would make sense for them not to be there. Though we have watched things together before, and it wasn't too hard to comment to Reisen occasionally about what we were watching and get a response.

 

Your tulpas "think" subconsciously, but you still have to consciously recognize them as there. It's the difference between forgetting she's there while watching an anime and having her immediately respond when I think to ask her her opinion on what we just saw.

 

Anyway, some people can naturally keep their tulpas in-mind longer than others, but most I see require some amount of conscious intent for it to be meaningful presence. Definitely affects me, I hate trailing off my trains of thought while I'm supposed to be talking to them. (We often talk while going to sleep or in the shower, because it's easy ((sometimes too easy)) to think at those times)

 

There's a chance you can train your tulpas to remind you when you forget to keep them in mind, though it's usually a temporary-reminder thing when we do it. It might be easier to just practice being aware of your tulpa for long periods at a time. I should actually do that myself.

[Missy]

Ehehehehe, as-if Missy could shut me up with just a little distraction.

 

-Melody

 

Ah... yes, what she said. Melody is generally more forceful, or to put it another way, 'louder' than most things that would distract me. I can only really manage to get engrossed in something if she is likewise engrossed in it, or if she is doing something else. Otherwise she keeps drawing my attention. Caramel on the other hand does tend to get silenced by distractions, though she's still just barely started getting vocal at this point.

 

-Missy

[Linkzelda]

My question, then, mainly directed at those who are confident in their Tulpa's existence: Do your Tulpas tend to quiet down/disappear when you're busy with something, or are they harder to get rid of than that? Either answer is a good thing, really; for the former, it means I'm not failing, and for the latter, it means there's that far-more-substantial existence to look forward to for us.

 

IMO, when you’re first trying to find nuances in what you do in your daily lifestyle to see if they’re just expressing themselves indirectly without those personal assurances (e.g. mind voice interaction) becoming frequent, it’s just a trial-and-error thing that may take some time. Because you could end up taking things too seriously, and every action you do to where you’re criticizing and wondering who is doing what, but from my experience, once you go through so many iteration loops, it gets a bit easier.

 

Whether it’s transient moments with possession, or even switching, it does get easier acknowledging their existence through other means than just hearing a voice, or even a head pressure. I feel that the more a person strives to sustain their propensity in treating their tulpa as sentient, they may find themselves finding more attributes of what validates an entity, imaginary or not, as sentient. In other words, they go further than just rudimentary logic like head pressures, or hearing a voices that can be consistent in the maelstrom of thoughts that goes on in our head so quickly; they start going into things like sapience, and any other attributes, aspects, and such to broaden that view to the point where they may come to terms that even though they can’t exist physically (obviously) in this spatio-temporal reality, they can be as real to them in terms of one’s subjective and private experience.

 

But some people can’t help but feel to encroach negative connotations on the probability that their tulpa being real would probably be contingent on the host’s perception of reality, and what they feel a tulpa can, or cannot do within the confines of their cognition, and so many other validations. So it’s more of an attitude, or set of attitudes you foster in having in the back of your mind that they exist because you’re progressively accumulating that foundation that has a plethora of ways of you having those certainties that they exist contingently within your private and subjective experience, and whatever theory of consciousness one may subscribe to.

 

Because if you’re making this thread on wondering if you have a ways to go, or something like that; how can I, or anyone else, personally give you in detail of how our subjective experience, i.e., qualia, is being experienced, especially with our tulpas? We can’t just hand it over to you, and give you something to compare to in order to see if you’re average, below average, above average, or whatever. Some people just have certain predispositions, talents, etc. that just helps them out, but at the same time, we don’t even know if those attributes are of any relevance in creating a tulpa, and finding ways to assure ourselves that they exist within our experience and mind in general.

 

 

TL;DR:

 

IMO, I think it’s always going to be a personal thing of how far, or even how obsessive one may want to sustain that propensity in treating their tulpa as sentient to where they don’t really have to go through that benefit of a doubt, blind faith, and other double-edge sword logic utilized to gradually subside those doubts to where they reach some end-all be-all assurance that completely overwhelms them; they continually find philosophical foundations that could help them validate what it means to be sentient, how one "ought" to validate themselves as such, and much more to where they're not going to be intimidated by how other people subjectively experience things because they're having moments that are personal, significant, and mostly likely private with their tulpas.

 

To say the least, people may usually have these discussions to find some mode of ethics (e.g. normative ethics; how one "ought" to do something) to reach a common ground so that they're not wasting their time because they want to play it safe. But I guess it's up to the person to revel, or be terrified that what they do in their own private and subjective experience with their tulpa is something that no one else can really experience exactly because of the nuances of how we perceive the whole phenomenon, and that we can't just hand over our qualia to someone else just like that.

[Luminesce]

Your posts are a work of art.

 

Well, there you have it: yes, no, and critical constructive philosophical evaluation.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry so much over how your tulpa exists, since you know they can and do. Peoples' ideas of the conscious and subconscious minds are pretty skewed and subjective anyway. Take everything for what it is, or can be, and never worry again. That's my (recent) philosophy. Tulpa seems to exist; I want it to exist; it exists. Easy peasy.

[TheSanctuary]

Indeed! While I've been around for a little while I have had a few Lapses in our development as such vixen is far less developed than she could have been had life not been a thing I have to also deal with- and yeah no kiddin' Reisen! I was also like three paragraphs in and thought... Hang on... This is one of 'zelda's posts isn't it! // scroll up // yup I knew it! You always have such a way with words!

 

Vixen gets interrupted by even the smallest thing for me at the moment - I don't think she gets annoyed though but seems to take my in-attention as an opportunity to either start a wonderland race or something else equally imbalanced by her starting without me. Workin on it though!