The relation between self hypnosis,the method of loci and tulpas,among other things

[ros3nrot3]

Hello guys and girls

 

(I read up in the beginner section,sorry if my questions have already been answered,truly sorry!)

 

The first time I came upon tulpas was from the creepy pasta.I am not sure whether the creepypasta derived its name from tulpamancy,or vice versa...anyway!

 

I really loved the idea of it.Thats why I want to try it.

However,I am not sure whether this whole thing is really credible or not.

 

Don't get me wrong!Before posting it I lurked a bit around,read posts,informed myself(a little) and came to the conclusion that,as a whole,the tulpa community seems to consist of reasonable and intelligent people.

 

So,have I understood correctly that you can see and feel your tulpa?

Several questions arise here.Does the light of the environment affect it?

Is it transparent,can you see physical objects that are behind it?

Can you hear its voice as clearly as if a real human standing next to you,spoke?

 

But my main question would be this:I plan to devote time to self hypnosis and mastering the method of loci.Would you recommend me to study tulpamancy after self hypnosis,before,or together with it?

[sushi]

The first time I came upon tulpas was from the creepy pasta.I am not sure whether the creepypasta derived its name from tulpamancy,or vice versa...anyway!

 

The word Tulpa actually comes from Tibet, where a practice very similar to ours was used as a meditative technique to train the mind and to teach students that all reality is an illusion.

 

So,have I understood correctly that you can see and feel your tulpa?

 

Some people can, yes, but it's an advanced technique and most of the people here haven't gotten there. Some don't even want to.

 

Does the light of the environment affect it?

 

Initially, perhaps. It's like how when you listen to a long, chaotic, meainingless noise, your brain tries to find voices or other recognizable sounds in it. Similarly, your brain tries to find recognizable shapes when visually there's nothing.

 

People who are going blind often experience Charles Bonnet syndrome, which causes hallucinations, often of faces or cartoon characters. Many people can get the same effect by blindfolding themselves for several days.

 

So in that sense, yes, it might be easier in low-light conditions at first. But once a tulpa is fully imposed, the light shouldn't matter at all.

 

Is it transparent,can you see physical objects that are behind it?

 

No.

 

Can you hear its voice as clearly as if a real human standing next to you,spoke?

 

Yes.

 

But my main question would be this:I plan to devote time to self hypnosis and mastering the method of loci.Would you recommend me to study tulpamancy after self hypnosis,before,or together with it?

 

I'm also working on self-hypnosis. I'd say do them both at the same time. Self-hypnosis can help with making or imposing a tulpa, and a tulpa can help you to hypnotize yourself. Until you've tried both, you don't know which you'll find easier, so why not do both at once and see which one helps the other along?

[ros3nrot3]

Thank you sushi.

Did I understand correctly that hearing a tulpa ultra realistically comes fast and is easy to "gain" but realistically seeing one will take more time,if even at all?Also,are you referring to the wonderland or to actual real life?

I will study them side by side,thanks for the advice :]

[nivereno]

Most things like that(Seeing, hearing, feeling, whatever else) are just skills. Some people(Including tulpas) are naturally better at them, some are worse. They take time to learn and can subjectively not be worth it.

 

Now hearing a tulpa is NOT easy to gain for most people because firstly to hear something you need something to hear(A sentient tulpa in this case), secondly listening to something exact in your head is not something most people ever do thus you have to learn from scratch.

 

Seeing a tulpa is generally a bit easier for most people because they do different imagination stuff alot. Also seeing a tulpa in real like (Imposition) is a skill too. Most people take alot more time to learn it then other skills, but some(Including me) have less trouble with it then with other things.

 

Tulpa's have alot of subjective experiences involved with them, everyone's goals are also often different.

[sushi]

Hearing a tulpa as you'd hear an actual noise is difficult, but sometimes people use the same terms for communicating with a tulpa in mindvoice, which does come much sooner. If you see someone who's talking about hearing their tulpa speak to them after a week or two, they probably mean mindvoice.

[Luminesce]

 

Writing this mainly so I can acknowledge Sushi's new avatar..

 

 

Actually hearing your tulpa is called auditory imposition, and it's generally an advanced skill. Hearing them in mindvoice takes a little time when you're new, but yes, it won't be unbearably long until you can very easily distinguish their voice from yours in your mind. Mindvoice comes with more than just sound though, you also feel intent, emotion, etc. Have a little faith in them and it'll come along. Auditory imposition takes a lot of practice though, it's literally training your mind to hallucinate sound. Totally not remotely necessary to do, but some people are really into that sort of thing.

 

 

Now.. omg sushi! Sushi is sushi! Everything makes so much sense now.

 

[ros3nrot3]

Hello!

Thanks for all the replies.I really appreciate you guys taking time and helping me out.

I would have some other questions tho,if you don't mind!

 

I would like to know just how long it would take maximally for my tulpas to exist without any mental effort from my part.

And also,how long it would take for me to train until I can sense them.

It may sound stupid,but the reason I want to have a tulpa,if possible,is to feel a present always with me.Like a physical present.

I want it to have the same effect on my mind as if I was strolling with a group behind me.The moral boost of the group.I hate being scared.I am rarely scared if alone,and even more rarely if in a group.I want to reduce it to zero.

 

Also,you indicated that seeing may come easier than hearing.If so,how long would it take,maximally again? :]

Could somebody explain to me in a scientific way if its even possible to feel and hear something without outside stimulation?

I mean,from my limited knowledge of senses,they have to be stimulated by an outside force for a chemical reaction to occur.I may be wrong.Infact,I certainly am.But it would be very nice if somebody could explain that,or also provide a link!I am sorry,I know these stuff must seem like really noobish questions to you guys but please bear with me :l

 

On another note:Is there any effective way to utilize tulpamancy for learning purposes?Like,indepth learning of sciencey stuff like chemistry and biology or even neuroscience.in short,can i utilize tulpas for memorizing huge amounts of information?can they take over for me and study while I do whatever?

 

Edit:I think my questions aren't much related to the original topic question anymore,since it has been adressed by sushi,but i thought it'd be better not to create an additional thread!

[sushi]

I would like to know just how long it would take maximally for my tulpas to exist without any mental effort from my part.

And also,how long it would take for me to train until I can sense them.

 

That's a very difficult question to answer. I've heard that imposition requires some regular exercise to keep working, so if you're including imposition in that, maybe never.

 

And tulpas will always their hosts to pay attention to them to exist, so if you're counting a little attention every day as mental effort on your part, also never.

 

Beyond that, it varies a lot by person. Some people have sentient tulpas in less than a day because they're naturally predisposed to it, maybe because they already have sentient tulpas, or they're experienced writers or roleplayers or something. Other people can take years to reach sentience -- it's not very common, but it happens, usually in cases of extreme doubt or disbelief.

 

To put this in hypnosis terms, a central tenet of hypnosis is that a person can only do things that they believe are possible. So, for example, it's very easy to have a person forget something because people forget things all the time. On the other hand, it's very difficult to have someone quit smoking because chances are they've never been able to quit before in their entire life, and so it's difficult for them to believe that it's something that they can accomplish.

 

I personally think that belief is the main limiting factor in sentience, vocality, imposition, possession, and switching.

 

Imposition can theoretically be instant if you have the belief that it can happen and you're hypnotized for it. If you don't have the belief that it can happen, it can take somewhere from months to years, depending on how hard you work and how diligent you are.

 

It may sound stupid,but the reason I want to have a tulpa,if possible,is to feel a present always with me.Like a physical present.

I want it to have the same effect on my mind as if I was strolling with a group behind me.The moral boost of the group.I hate being scared.I am rarely scared if alone,and even more rarely if in a group.I want to reduce it to zero.

 

That's not stupid. I think tulpas are an amazing comfort. They can know you better than anyone else, and that means they always know just what's bothering you and how to make you feel better. I didn't make Fenchurch to comfort me, but she's been an amazing help with my depression, and around the time my best friend died.

 

Also,you indicated that seeing may come easier than hearing.If so,how long would it take,maximally again? :]

 

Again, it depends entirely on the person. Lots of people are very visual, so they find seeing easier, but there are some people who are more auditory, and find hearing easier.

 

Could somebody explain to me in a scientific way if its even possible to feel and hear something without outside stimulation?

 

It's just hallucination. Basically, the mind usually receives information from the sense organs (eyes, ears, skin), but it can also be tricked into presenting information that the sense organs are not passing on. There are a number of ways of doing that ranging from drugs, hunger, exposure, blindness, hypnosis, repetitive sound, and the mental states on either side of sleep.

 

Most people experience hallucinations at some point in their life -- usually right before falling asleep, or right before waking up, and usually of somebody calling their name. Musical hallucinations are also becoming more common because people are listening to more music than they used to -- musical hallucinations used to mostly hymns, back when those were the most commonly heard songs.

 

On another note:Is there any effective way to utilize tulpamancy for learning purposes?Like,indepth learning of sciencey stuff like chemistry and biology or even neuroscience.in short,can i utilize tulpas for memorizing huge amounts of information?can they take over for me and study while I do whatever?

 

Maybe. It's been suggested in the past that the process of imposition may unlock the potential for photographic memory. We haven't seen much talk of that lately, but hardly anyone has imposed lately.

[Sarah917]

hardly anyone has imposed lately.

 

What makes you think that? Is there a reason you think that might be?

[TulpaFox]

 

What makes you think that? Is there a reason you think that might be?

 

I would say the sheer effort it takes. I would say it takes 100's rather than 10's of hours. Such a project isn't insurmountable, but it takes a consistent effort over months and perhaps years. For a self-started and motivated project that is an extra rather than a core skill it takes a lot of work.