imposition chat

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I plan to impose in the end. Imposing has always been the end goal of making a tulpa. Its weird to me that no one does it anymore. Maybe I get if its just laziness since its not an easy thing to do, but you should at least try. Its worth it.

[sushi]

I've been hypnotizing people since February 9th -- always with their consent, of course. There are two subjects I've found very interesting for the insights they gave me into imposition. They're also the subjects I worked with the longest. The first, we'll call Alice, I worked with from the end of April up until some point in August. The second, I'll call Betty, I've worked with from October 24th to the present.

 

Alice has a hard time with visual hallucination. She had no trouble feeling things that weren't really there, but when I would suggest a visual hallucination to her, she wouldn't even seem to notice it. When I called her attention to it, she'd say something like "I imagined something there for a moment."

 

Because of Alice's difficulties, I developed a new technique for her: I'd suggest she hallucinate things on screens. As long as the hallucination was on a computer screen or a TV screen, she could see it just fine. I've found this has worked well with many other subjects who have difficulty visualizing.

 

My experiences with Alice suggest to me that visualization ability isn't really very important to imposition. We can all see things very easily in dreams, so why not in the waking state? I think the only thing holding us back is belief. In Alice's case, she had a firm view of reality: things don't just pop in and out of existence. However, on a screen, things can do just that. On a TV or a computer screen, it happens all the time. And that's why it was so easy for Alice to see things like that -- her problem wasn't a lack of visualization ability, but a conflict of belief.

 

Betty also has a very firm view of reality, but it's a little different. Whereas Alice's views could be summed up as "Nothing real will suddenly pop into existence", Betty's views are more like "Only crazy people hallucinate." Now you might think that would make it even harder for Betty to hallucinate, but it's actually exactly the opposite. Any time that I suggest that she sees something, she believes it completely down to the deepest level of her mind, because she knows she's not crazy, and therefore everything she can see is real.

 

To be perfectly accurate, I don't think there are such things as a "conscious mind" and an "unconscious mind". However, they're easy terms to use to describe hypnotic phenomena, so I'm going to use them here.

 

With most subjects, when you suggest a hallucination to them, their conscious mind believes in it, but their unconscious mind does not. If you suggest to them that a bottle of ink is a stain remover, and tell them to pour it all over their favorite sweater, they'll come up with excuses for why they shouldn't do it: "Oh, the sweater isn't that stained", or "I'm not sure if this product is so good for this material", or "I'm too tired to do that now". If you keep insisting, they'll eventually come out of trance very angry at you. That's because although to their conscious mind, it's a bottle of stain remover, their unconscious mind still knows what it really is, and is trying to keep them from doing something they'll regret.

 

With Betty, even her unconscious mind believes fully in the hallucination. I have to be very careful what I suggest to her, because it will become her reality. I'm not playing with anything as dangerous, but anything can be dangerous in the wrong context -- what happens when a hypnotic subject sees a hallucination of a child in the road when they're driving? They might very well swerve to miss the child and drive off the road killing themselves and others.

 

Betty was interested in having a tulpa at one point. She has since changed her mind, which is a relief to me, as I was worried that believing in the tulpa might in some way be harmful to her. She might talk out loud to her tulpa in public and convince all of her friends and family that she's crazy, which I certainly don't want to see. She's not crazy, she's gifted -- but of course the average person isn't going to see that.

 

Anyway, I think that hypnotic hallucination can give us a lot of insight into imposition. As an example, I've seen a question asked here before: can a host see a photograph of an imposed tulpa? Thanks to Betty, I believe that I have an answer: yes, but it requires additional work.

 

I've had Betty take pictures of her hallucinations, and she definitely does not see the hallucination in the picture, which is very upsetting to her because it shows her that she's hallucinating, which makes her think that she's crazy. However, I can suggest that she does see the hallucination in the picture, and then she sees it just fine, and it doesn't upset her at all.

 

It also seems that an imposed fire will make you feel warmer (though I'm sure you can still freeze to death in front of it) and an imposed light will light up a dark room (provided that the room is familiar to you). Maybe soon I'll have answers to a few other imposition puzzlers.

[Luminesce]

So what you're saying is, the HoloLens is a perfect imposition-training tool on a psychological level. I mean I already knew that, but..

 

I did offhandedly theorize that though while thinking about what we could do with the HoloLens/augmented reality. I figured if I found ways to actually display my tulpas in reality, my mind would become more comfortable with imagining them there on its own. Also, your post has given me new ideas for placebo-ing my mind. I like the idea of imagining my room lit up when it's totally dark.

[kovyxen]

Kovie is pretty excited about whenever we get to imposition, she really wants to be a bigger part of my life and if we can visualize her with me in the physical world, then she can convey emotion better and be more than simply a voice in my head.

[sushi]

So what you're saying is, the HoloLens is a perfect imposition-training tool on a psychological level. I mean I already knew that, but..

 

I actually did that with a subject. In between Alice and Betty, there was a third subject that I had a few sessions with. She said that hallucination was very difficult for her, so I tried giving her a hallucination on a screen, which worked very well. Then I suggested to her that a mirror was a screen, and that also worked very well. Then I suggested that her glasses were virtual reality glasses. She said that the things she saw looked like they would in a film. Not exactly sure what she meant by that. She said it was 3D, but still didn't look real in some way.

 

After that, I had her believe that her glasses were magic, and that they would allow her to see anything invisible. That worked very well, except that she still couldn't see things around the lenses, only through them. Thought it was neat though that it was easier for her to believe in magic and invisibility than that she could see things that weren't there.